AoS Updated points GHB 2019

[Blitzkriyg]

Is thunderquake just dead now? I’m just starting to play. It’s a little disappointing, I just finished painting my army.

You can still run it but serverely sub optimal. The problem is 3 of units you take (eotg, razordons, skinks) got increases, so it's difficult to fit in everything you need unless you go down to stegs instead of bastiladons, which I don't feel is ever worth it

 

[Canas]

Is thunderquake just dead now? I’m just starting to play. It’s a little disappointing, I just finished painting my army.

Stegadons, kroxigor & trog's are cheaper, hunting packs are also 10 points "cheaper" at max size due to losing a model. Only EoTG's became more expensive but with basiclly everything else in that battalion dropping in cost you'l barely notice. The only combination in which it noticeably went up in cost is EoTG + 2 bastiladon + 2 razordon, and even then only 40 points more for the entire thing. In most other combinations it's dropped in cost or remained basicly the same.

 

[LizardWizard]

Is thunderquake just dead now? I’m just starting to play. It’s a little disappointing, I just finished painting my army.

The biggest impact is that Razordons are now max unit size 3. So you will lose one Razorodon who is re-rolling hits, wounds, and saves.

 

[Asamu]

Yeah, I'll be ok if our alliance changes are good and if summoning is the same or better, but any other nerfs and I think my DoK will be coming back out until a new book is here, DoK are more or less fine still

Summoning is exactly the same as before.
The main change to allegiance abilities is that there's no more roll for the teleport (it's still in the hero phase); it's always 9" with no move after - this is great for the saurus alpha strike bloodclaw/sunclaw that stacks CPs, and we get a spell lore.

The notable spells are: 7+ 24" range roll 8 dice, 5+ are mortal wounds (average 2.67 MWs is pretty good), and 8+ cast 24" range roll a die for each model in the unit (Anti-horde MWs), 5+ are mortal wounds. 5+ cast heal 1 wound to friendly wholly within 18" and cause -1 bravery to units within 3" of the target. Slann can swap their spell at the end of your hero phase. Seraphon will finally have some mortal wound output aside from kroak, and the spells all have decent range.

It'll probably still end up being better to summon all game, but it's nice to have the opportunity to drop a bomb on a big unit turn 1 or 2 or try to snipe a character with magic without needing Kroak for it.

Is thunderquake just dead now? I’m just starting to play. It’s a little disappointing, I just finished painting my army.

Thunderquake will still be reasonably good. You basically just lose a Razordon in most lists.
Saurus oriented lists are getting 100 or so more points to work with though, which is pretty big, and the teleporting being guaranteed now is a pretty big deal for the alpha strike saurus lists. If they give Bloodclaw an errata to make it playable again (They gave it points again, so hopefully that happens), that would make a huge difference, since you could have a 2-3 drop list with 80 saurus + a screen and all the necessary heroes + aetherquartz brooch starting with 3+ command points.

I'm not sure how it'll stack up, but the top lists are all taking some hits, and saurus lists weren't far off from being strong before. Guard lists with 30-45 guard also saved a big chunk of points, and will be a lot better.

 

[Killer Angel]

The biggest impact is that Razordons are now max unit size 3.

and salamanders too.

you literally have no idea how much I'm pissed off.

In these years, I've slowly built my artillery packs, so i now have:

1 unit of 4 razordons composed by GW models
1 unit of 4 razordons made with non-GW models
1 unit of 4 salamanders (old models)
1 unit of 4 salamanders (new models)

thanks GW.

 

[Canas]

and salamanders too.

you literally have no idea how much I'm pissed off.

In these years, I've slowly built my artillery packs, so i now have:

1 unit of 4 razordons composed by GW models
1 unit of 4 razordons made with non-GW models
1 unit of 4 salamanders (old models)
1 unit of 4 salamanders (new models)

thanks GW.

get one more of each and you're golden again Or 4 more and then you're fine if they change it back to groups of 4

 

[Lizerd]

and salamanders too.

you literally have no idea how much I'm pissed off.

In these years, I've slowly built my artillery packs, so i now have:

1 unit of 4 razordons composed by GW models
1 unit of 4 razordons made with non-GW models
1 unit of 4 salamanders (old models)
1 unit of 4 salamanders (new models)

thanks GW.

You could always do a carnosaur spam

In all honesty I have some pretty mixed feelings on this update. I like slann dealing mortal wounds, we needed that. As for the saurus while the reduction in points may seem negligible but at large amounts it is a huge change. As a saurus player I do like that.

However I dislike the skink, razordons, and salamanders getting nerfs. With other stuff being nerfed that means some of our best stuff is a lot less useable.

 

[Killer Angel]

You could always do a Carnosaur spam.

However I dislike the skink, razordons, and salamanders getting nerfs. With other stuff being nerfed that means some of our best stuff is a lot less useable.

I am thinking more to a steggy spam.

But hey, razors may cost more, but if you pick a full unit of 3 you have a discount, as they are still 120.

 

[Lizerd]

With new razordons and salamander updates i do actually have to reconsider what I am getting next, probably an eotg

 

[pendrake]

and salamanders too.

you literally have no idea how much I'm pissed off.

In these years, I've slowly built my artillery packs, so i now have:

1 unit of 4 razordons composed by GW models
1 unit of 4 razordons made with non-GW models
1 unit of 4 salamanders (old models)
1 unit of 4 salamanders (new models)

thanks GW.

You need one more Razor and one more Salamandyr. ??

I don’t get it.

There must be something left unstated that creates a problem for you.

 

[Killer Angel]

You need one more Razor and one more Salamandyr. ??

I don’t get it.

There must be something left unstated that creates a problem for you.

the 4 + 4 salamanders are 2 groups visually very different from each other (Group A is different from group B); the same can be said for the razors.
So it's not a matter of "add one sally and one razor, you'll have 9 of each = 3 groups of sallies and 3 groups of razors".. because the third group will be composed by a patchwork of dinosaurs visually different.
Not a big issue, but given that i worked to have a certain result from a visual pov, it's really annoying.

 

[Canas]

the 4 + 4 salamanders are 2 groups visually very different from each other (Group A is different from group B); the same can be said for the razors.
So it's not a matter of "add one sally and one razor, you'll have 9 of each = 3 groups of sallies and 3 groups of razors".. because the third group will be composed by a patchwork of dinosaurs visually different.
Not a big issue, but given that i worked to have a certain result from a visual pov, it's really annoying.

Kitbash a third razordon/salamander so you get 3 groups. 1 old gw, one current GW and 1 frankenstein mismatch. A new visual scheme

 

[Killer Angel]

Kitbash a third razordon/salamander so you get 3 groups. 1 old gw, one current GW and 1 frankenstein mismatch. A new visual scheme

I will call it: "the poor salamanders poisoned by skaven, on their hunt for crispy Revenge"

 

[pendrake]

...the third group will be composed by a patchwork of dinosaurs visually different...

I wondered if that was it. But I decided to ask rather than speculate.

 

[ILKAIN]

You can still run it but serverely sub optimal. The problem is 3 of units you take (eotg, razordons, skinks) got increases, so it's difficult to fit in everything you need unless you go down to stegs instead of bastiladons, which I don't feel is ever worth it

NECRO ALERT!

I am so glad this turned out to be a wrong assessment. lol

 

[Killer Angel]

NECRO ALERT!

I am so glad this turned out to be a wrong assessment. lol

Yep.
As a side note, i know that some things got a points increase (EotG), and now you are forced fo have a unit of max 3 razordons, BUT those razordons comes at 120...
in the end, with the old GHB, 4 razordons were 160, so I know the formation loses one razor but at the same time you are also forced to save those 40 pts. Points-wise, everyone should be able to field the good old Thunderquake, just losing 1 razor.