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Solo: A Star Wars Story - UPDATED: Official Trailer

Killer Angel said:
Well Yes, but at least you should form your opinion about it after a watch, not before.
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Not necessarily. There is simply too much content out there and not enough time. You have to have some sort of filter when it comes to movies, unless you plan to watch anything and everything. A little bit of research beforehand can go a long way. I saw the trailer for that Ghostbusters trailer and I knew immediately that it wasn't for me. Then I heard some of the commentary spouted off by the creators of the film and I was completely turned off.

Killer Angel said:
Ah right... yes, biased behaviors are not that great.
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But all behavior is biased. All of our behavior is shaped by our own personalities, backgrounds, education and past experiences.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
But all behavior is biased. All of our behavior is shaped by our own personalities, backgrounds, education and past experiences.
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To a certain point yes, of course.
Our tastes are formed by those things.... but out judgement shouldn't be clouded by them.
1 minute trailer isn't enough, because it's already happened (at least to me) that things were different from the first impression.
We need more data ( for example, direct reports by other people and similar)
 
Killer Angel said:
To a certain point yes, of course.
Our tastes are formed by those things.... but out judgement shouldn't be clouded by them.
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But it is unavoidable. Everyone's judgement is clouded by bias to one degree or another. To be human is to be biased and to be biased is to be human.

Killer Angel said:
1 minute trailer isn't enough, because it's already happened (at least to me) that things were different from the first impression.
We need more data ( for example, direct reports by other people and similar)
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Normally I would agree that a short trailer is not enough to make a solid judgement, but in the case of that Ghostbusters remake it was MORE than enough.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
But it is unavoidable. Everyone's judgement is clouded by bias to one degree or another. To be human is to be biased and to be biased is to be human.
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Again, it's true only to a certain point. A behavior is not automatically acceptable only because it's "human".
Would you be fine with a biased verdict from a judge?

(i know it's very different than to take a decision about a movie… it's just for the sake of discussion ;))
 
Killer Angel said:
Would you be fine with a biased verdict from a judge?
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No one wants that... and although the judge is trained to be as impartial as possible, they too carry with them biases. That is probably a contributing factor for using a jury of 12 for major crimes. Having a group of people collectively decide helps to mitigate bias, at least to a degree.

All this is well documented in psychology. It is the main reason why eye-witness accounts are actually not that reliable. Take a group of people and let them witness the same event (even from the same vantage point) and it is unlikely that they will recount the same story afterwards. We all see the world through an individualized lens... bias is unavoidable.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
Take a group of people and let them witness the same event (even from the same vantage point) and it is unlikely that they will recount the same story afterwards.
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While I agree with all you've said, the whole unreliability of eye witnesses is only marginally related to "bias".
When you have a car description and basic details differ (including the color of the car), it has very little to do with preconceptions.


Solo: A Star Wars Story - Sociology & Psychoanalysis
 
Killer Angel said:
While I agree with all you've said, the whole unreliability of eye witnesses is only marginally related to "bias".
When you have a car description and basic details differ (including the color of the car), it has very little to do with preconceptions.
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Admittedly it isn't wholly responsible for the phenomenon, but it is a major contributing factor. We all pay attention to different things and place emphasis (or cast judgement) based on our own preconceived notions. In this instance I'm not talking about basic details such as the colour of a car (bias has little effect in that case), but rather the recounting of events: what happened, who was responsible, who instigated, etc.

Killer Angel said:
Solo: A Star Wars Story - Sociology & Psychoanalysis
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Still more interesting than:
latest
 
Aginor said:
Not a bad idea but executed poorly.
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How is the inclusion of an SJW droid not a bad idea? I don't want to be bombarded by Disney's (Kathleen Kennedy's) political agenda every time I watch a Star Wars movie. Star Wars is supposed to be an escape from reality.

The only good thing about L3 was
when she died!
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
How is the inclusion of an SJW droid not a bad idea? I don't want to be bombarded by Disney's (Kathleen Kennedy's) political agenda every time I watch a Star Wars movie. Star Wars is supposed to be an escape from reality.

The only good thing about L3 was
when she died!
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I thought she was quite funny if nothing else. They seemed to use her to support that sort of thing while also gently mocking it
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
How is the inclusion of an SJW droid not a bad idea? I don't want to be bombarded by Disney's (Kathleen Kennedy's) political agenda every time I watch a Star Wars movie. Star Wars is supposed to be an escape from reality.

The only good thing about L3 was
when she died!
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Well I guess we disagree there. Science Fiction is not only escapism, but also a mirror for the real world.
But they turned it up to eleven and that's what I didn't like. They also apparently thought that the droid had to walk and act like a middle aged lady from the 'hood or trailer park and walk that way too (at least her german voice sounded like that) because that's what you have to do to get the point across? That's how it felt for me.

If they had toned the dialogue a bit down and straightened her animations I would have enjoyed the character. The thing with the
robot revolution
was Ok. But I would have preferred to have her as a robot, not a human stand-in.
 
HK47 is similar in many things, just more...uh... violent. People loved that character.
 
Aginor said:
Well I guess we disagree there. Science Fiction is not only escapism, but also a mirror for the real world.
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Fair enough. I hear enough about identity politics in the real world. I don't want anymore from my Star Wars films.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
Fair enough. I hear enough about identity politics in the real world. I don't want anymore from my Star Wars films.
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I definitely see an over-saturation in the media as well, so I completely understand that point of view.
 
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