AoS Razordons

[LordRibbit]

So this popped up in a podcast and I would like some clarification:

In a unit of 4 Razordons do I roll 2d6 x 4 shots or 8d6?

 

[Aginor]

Each model rolls 2d6, so you roll 8d6.

 

[LordRibbit]

Each model rolls 2d6, so you roll 8d6.

That's what I thought.....

 

[LordRibbit]

Apparently because its the same weapon on all of them you roll 2d6 x 4 but I can't find this rule anywhere..........?

 

[Aginor]

Who says that?
I don't see any sense in doing that.

 

[Aginor]

In fact it seems there is an entry in the FAQ that caused a lot of confusion. It is pretty much the same as above, but not for number of attacks but for MODIFIERS applying to DAMAGE roll results.

 

[Stevie754]

It's in the tzeentch battletome, means you roll attacks for one model and then multiply that by the number of models in the unit.
It makes the tzeentch fate dice and other rerolls a lot stronger.
For example a unit of 4 razordons before you rolls 8D6, now you can roll 2D6 (for 1 model) and then times attacks by 4.

So a roll of 6&1 with a single reroll being using on the 1, let's say it gets you a 4. So instead of the rerolls giving you 3 attacks you get (3x4) 12 more attacks doing it this way. Total attacks jumps from (6+1)x4=28 to (6+4)x4=40 hit rolls to be made.

 

[LordRibbit]

I get that but when did something in a battletome and not in the FAQ's become the rules for anything outside that battletome? That's what I'm struggling with atm....

 

[Canas]

It's in the tzeentch battletome, means you roll attacks for one model and then multiply that by the number of models in the unit.
It makes the tzeentch fate dice and other rerolls a lot stronger.
For example a unit of 4 razordons before you rolls 8D6, now you can roll 2D6 (for 1 model) and then times attacks by 4.

So a roll of 6&1 with a single reroll being using on the 1, let's say it gets you a 4. So instead of the rerolls giving you 3 attacks you get (3x4) 12 more attacks doing it this way. Total attacks jumps from (6+1)x4=28 to (6+4)x4=40 hit rolls to be made.

that's just consfusing as hell...

 

[Aginor]

And I will totally ignore that. I am not going to ruin the attacks for all four Razordons just because I rolled a double one for the first one. Even though that means that I can't multiply by four if it is a double six.

Also it is in the Tzeentch Battletome. As long as it isn't covered in a publicly available document like the rules or a FAQ, OR one of my army's books I won't apply it to my army.

 

[Stevie754]

I get that but when did something in a battletome and not in the FAQ's become the rules for anything outside that battletome? That's what I'm struggling with atm....

It didn't become a rule, but GW never said it couldn't be calculated that way and have left it as an option to speed up working out number of attacks.
You are always going to find rules or wording open to be exploited, especially rules like this that a lot of people without rerolls can't take advantage of because it gives you a bigger edge over them.

that's just consfusing as hell...

Yes, yes it is.


I tend to play salamanders over razordons, I'm going to roll all individually like I did before if I do bring razors with me.
I don't have a starseer and the few rerolls I might get from Kroak I set aside for battleshocks or important saves, an extra couple attacks isn't worth the reroll or the arguement.

Just keep an eye open and clarify before playing tzeench if they are playing that way. They can destiny dice the attacks from a unit of Tzaangor Skyfires and their disks and suddenly they all have 3 attacks each by using a single 5 dice from their destiny dice pool

 

[Xasto]

Just keep an eye open and clarify before playing tzeench if they are playing that way. They can destiny dice the attacks from a unit of Tzaangor Skyfires and their disks and suddenly they all have 3 attacks each by using a single 5 dice from their destiny dice pool

I play Tzeentch, and having Destiny dice already feels like I'm being a mean person for my opponent, doing that would just make me feel like a complete dick

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