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AoS Kroak on Krack

darren watson
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With all the new shizz being revealed, I think it's fair to say Seraphon will soon be pushing for podium finishes in tournaments. Here's a few lists I will be playing around with centered around my beloved Kroak.

Original list:

Allegiance: Order

Heroes
Lord Kroak (540)450 < new points.
- General
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (160)160
- Phoenix Stone
Skink Starseer (160)200
- Phoenix Stone
Skink Starpriest (100)80

Battleline
10 x Skinks (80)60
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (80)60
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (80)60
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers

Units
6 x Ripperdactyl Riders (280)280

Behemoths
Bastiladon (300)280

Battalions
Shadowstrike Starhost (120)170

Scenery
Balewind Vortex (100)

Total: 2000/2000

This bad boy get 100 points cheaper, I can simply save 100 points for summoning or increase a unit of Skinks to 20 leaving 40 points to summon a Razordon. Marvellous.
This armies pre GHB2's main weakness was losing Kroak meant you lost the game. With the new ability to teleport a unit on 2+ (guaranteed with Curse of Fate cast on him) Kroak can now happily deploy behind scenery or literally right in a corner. Later teleport outside of 18" of any unbinder (27" of any Tzeentch general depending on their trait) and then go nuclear. This truly wondrous.
Any double to cast will also add 6" to his range, he is very likely to hit everything on the board with d3 mortal wounds, especially if people turtle to avoid the Rippers. Difficult to shift of any objective as well.
If you don't need to protect him first turn you can teleport the Basti in range, hopefully within 10" of your Astrolith for rerolls to hit. Another boon for this list.

Mortal Wound Bombing for Fun List

With the advent of Allies we only get access to Storm Cast Eternals. I both love and hate this. Love this because it will actual help keep competitive games balanced, Seraphon have become strong. I hate this for the obvious reason we could be even stronger! Going to try this list ASAP will update items later as currently unknown to me.

Allegiance: Seraphon

Heroes
Lord Kroak 450- General
Saurus Astrolith Bearer 160
Skink Starseer 200
Skink Starpriest 80

AllIes:

Cellestent Prime 340

Battleline

10 x Skinks 60
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks 60
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks 60
- Boltspitters & Star Bucklers

Units
6 x Ripperdactyl Riders 280

Battalions
Shadowstrike Starhost 170

Scenery
Balewind Vortex 100

Summoning
40 points for a Razordon

Total: 2000/2000

This list brings a reduction in drops thanks to Mr Prime being off the board. Another mortal wound bombing from the Prime should spell the end for any low/middle ranged characters, with the ability to do a guaranteed 3 mortal wounds from the Prime on a single target once a turn. This will also likely kill any small screening units, allowing more favourable charges for the Rippers.
If you manage to save his choose a dice ability for the charge, reducing units bravery by 2 will cause plenty of troops to run away, seeing how most units will be needing a bravery roll.

A variation on the above would be to replace the Starseer and summoning pool for an Engine of the Gods. Teleport this bad boy in to 25" of a priority target and likely get another d6 mortal wounds on them. Combine this with Kroak/Prime and we are dropping Treeman Ancients possibly even Greater Demons of Tzeentch in a turn, with very little your opponent can do to mitigate this damage with clever deployment. You can even Vortex push him into range if he's deployed in front of Kroak (assuming you are going first or don't need to worry about Kroak being dropped first turn) saving the teleport move for the non Shadowstrike Skinks to get them in range also. Sexy.


If my understanding of what I have read so far is incorrect I apologise, my mind is ablaze with all the possibilities! Any thoughts on how to improve on the above is most welcome.

Let's get gaming and get these chaps where they belong, to the top!
 
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You have the bragging rights anyway. You played Seraphon _before_ they were strong and still made the top ten in tournaments. Twice!

That's also going to be a t-shirt for me to wear. "I played Seraphon before they were cool".
 
Looks to me like some solid lists. My only thought is how it will fare against wound-heavy lists? There isnt that much dakka, even tho it is quality dakka :)

As an alternative:
If you go for the skink-spell-trait you can save yourself 200pts for the starseer. (Provided it is the spell you are after).
You could then go max-size on one of your skink regiments or increase your pool.

7/10 cases I would go for the double teleport tho, it is seems sooooo good.
 
Kadanga said:
Looks to me like some solid lists. My only thought is how it will fare against wound-heavy lists? There isnt that much dakka, even tho it is quality dakka :)

As an alternative:
If you go for the skink-spell-trait you can save yourself 200pts for the starseer. (Provided it is the spell you are after).
You could then go max-size on one of your skink regiments or increase your pool.

7/10 cases I would go for the double teleport tho, it is seems sooooo good.
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Kroak is a named character, so I don't believe he will benefit from these rules?

How we get on will depend if the meta shifts to large units and how the new scenarios work. Scenarios that are about the late game I don't imagine it being to much of an issue. Games that require quick objectives being taken and held will be more of a struggle. But then again they always were.

My army doesn't have the dakka, but let's not forget the Rippers and their average 45 wounds on a unit when they drop. That's one large unit scrapped off the board.. A double turn and it will be 2 :)
 
Kadanga said:
Isnt it that if he's your general he can take traits but not an artifact? I've never played with any named chars so I might be way off on this.
Edit: And I'm on a train atm, no books in sight!
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No additional bonuses for named characters currently.
 
darren watson said:
No additional bonuses for named characters currently.
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Yeah, my memtel (memory intel) was corrupt.

darren watson said:
My army doesn't have the dakka, but let's not forget the Rippers and their average 45 wounds on a unit when they drop. That's one large unit scrapped off the board.. A double turn and it will be 2 :)
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How do you get 45 wounds out of the rippers with the rules for matched play saying that generated attacks cannot generate additional attacks? Or did this get revized somewhere? Or have I been misslead all this time? :O
 
Kadanga said:
Yeah, my memtel (memory intel) was corrupt.



How do you get 45 wounds out of the rippers with the rules for matched play saying that generated attacks cannot generate additional attacks? Or did this get revized somewhere? Or have I been misslead all this time? :O
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6 Rippers on average generate 45 odd wounds even with this ruling (assuming you attack a unit next to their toad). Each ripper gets 7 attacks. 3 hit on 3's (total of 18) with rerolls wounding on 2's with rerolls. 3 get hit on 4's (total of 18) with rerolls and then generate extra attacks for each hit. These also all wound on 2's with rerolls. Then the riders get 1 attack (total of 7 as there's a champion) that hit on 4's with rerolls and wound on 3's with rerolls. they get the extra plus 1 to wound from the Shadowstrike formation first time they charge and reroll hits and wounds from their Warscroll on the charge.

these guys scrape units of the table. They were my anti kunnin rukk arrer boy answer. Most large units with points saving bonuses have low saves. Happy hunting for these chaps
 
darren watson said:
6 Rippers on average generate 45 odd wounds even with this ruling (assuming you attack a unit next to their toad). Each ripper gets 7 attacks. 3 hit on 3's (total of 18) with rerolls wounding on 2's with rerolls. 3 get hit on 4's (total of 18) with rerolls and then generate extra attacks for each hit. These also all wound on 2's with rerolls. Then the riders get 1 attack (total of 7 as there's a champion) that hit on 4's with rerolls and wound on 3's with rerolls. they get the extra plus 1 to wound from the Shadowstrike formation first time they charge and reroll hits and wounds from their Warscroll on the charge.

these guys scrape units of the table. They were my anti kunnin rukk arrer boy answer. Most large units with points saving bonuses have low saves. Happy hunting for these chaps
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Thanks for going the long way explaining it. I havn't fielded my rippers yet, but now I am eager to!
 
Kadanga said:
Thanks for going the long way explaining it. I havn't fielded my rippers yet, but now I am eager to!
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You won't regret it, use the Shadowstrike formation if possible. Not only does it rule, it'll make your opponent second guess where your Ripperdactyls are coming down. Letting you take the initiative during deployment
 
darren watson said:
You won't regret it, use the Shadowstrike formation if possible. Not only does it rule, it'll make your opponent second guess where your Ripperdactyls are coming down. Letting you take the initiative during deployment
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What are your thoughts on squeezing a second unit of Rippers in?

The second toad and ability to deal with the soon-to-be-prevalent hordes makes it a pretty attractive proposition to me.
 
Tozon said:
What are your thoughts on squeezing a second unit of Rippers in?

The second toad and ability to deal with the soon-to-be-prevalent hordes makes it a pretty attractive proposition to me.
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Oh yes for sure. Looking at a double Shadowstrike list with 160 skinks in it

X2 of this

40 skinks 200
40 skinks 200
6 Ripperdactyls 280
Starpriest 80
Shadowstrike 170

Skink Chief-General 60
Skink priest 80

Skinks ftw!
 
darren watson said:
Oh yes for sure. Looking at a double Shadowstrike list with 160 skinks in it

X2 of this

40 skinks 200
40 skinks 200
6 Ripperdactyls 280
Starpriest 80
Shadowstrike 170

Skink Chief-General 60
Skink priest 80

Skinks ftw!
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Thats insane.

In that list though I'd definitely be considering dropping one of the 40's to a 10 and adding some chameleon skinks (or an allied Knight-Venator) for some sniping potential - try and get rid of the pesky mages/ command abilities that ruin our plans.



I was thinking based on the Kroak list how about something like:

Kroak 450
Skink Starseer 200
Astrolith Bearer 160

Skinks 60
Skinks 60
Skinks 60

6 Ripperdactyls 280
3 Ripperdactyls 140

Bastiladon 280

Shadowstrike Starhost 170
100pts for Balewind 100
40pts for a beast 40


You lose the starpriest but gain that extra offensive unit.
 
Tozon said:
Thats insane.

In that list though I'd definitely be considering dropping one of the 40's to a 10 and adding some chameleon skinks (or an allied Knight-Venator) for some sniping potential - try and get rid of the pesky mages/ command abilities that ruin our plans.



I was thinking based on the Kroak list how about something like:

Kroak 450
Skink Starseer 200
Astrolith Bearer 160

Skinks 60
Skinks 60
Skinks 60

6 Ripperdactyls 280
3 Ripperdactyls 140

Bastiladon 280

Shadowstrike Starhost 170
100pts for Balewind 100
40pts for a beast 40


You lose the starpriest but gain that extra offensive unit.
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Need the priest to lead the Shadowstrike. Plus the second unit won't benefit from being off the board. They are a glass hammer after all.

That being said the benefit of laying 2 toads is worth considering

Play some games and let me know how you get on mate ☺
 
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