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Star Trek vs. Star Wars (and a collection of memes)

Star Trek or Star Wars; which do you like better?

  • Star Trek

    Votes: 19 23.8%

  • Star Wars

    Votes: 61 76.3%
  • Total voters
    80
NIGHTBRINGER said:
That fight should have been over in an instant. If I had Obi Wan's powers I would have messed up Grevious in seconds. No contest really. Fun battle though.
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The fight between Kylo Ren and Rey should have been over in an instant. Rey was an untrained weakling who only beat Ren because of his injuries and something to do with the Force waking, which makes hardly any sense...

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Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
The fight between Kylo Ren and Rey should have been over in an instant. Rey was an untrained weakling who only beat Ren because of his injuries and something to do with the Force waking, which makes hardly any sense...
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It struck me as a little odd as well. There is a potential rationale for it (Ren's state of mind due to killing his father, the injury he sustained from the bowcaster, Rey is potentially far stronger with the force, Ren's training is incomplete), but we'll see how they handle it in episode VIII. Still, if it was up to me, I'd have had it play out differently.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
It struck me as a little odd as well. There is a potential rationale for it (Ren's state of mind due to killing his father, the injury he sustained from the bowcaster, Rey is potentially far stronger with the force, Ren's training is incomplete), but we'll see how they handle it in episode VIII. Still, if it was up to me, I'd have had it play out differently.
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Yep, so would I. I wouldn't have had the third Death Star/Death Planet there for one. I would have had it take place solely on the Finaliser (Kylo's Star Destroyer)
 
I found Kylo Ren interesting from a story telling perspective. First I disliked him. His appearance, the way he throws tantrums and the strange thing that somebody who is almost untrained can hold their own against him in a fight, if only for a limited time.

But then I thought about it a bit. Notes:
- Adam Driver looks far less babyfaced in real life than in TFA. -> intentional for dramatic purposes
- hides behind a mask -> he knows that people probably won't take him as serious as they do this way
- throws tantrums
- has HUGE problems with his identity. He is a typical Star Wars character _backwards_. He feels the pull of the light side and tries to resist, instead of the other way round.
- he wants to be like Vader, but fails. And that failure weighs so heavy on him, he is desperate to gain back control. So desperate he even kills his father to finally get it over with.

That guy is a wannabe, who is strong in the force (although probably not as strong as Rey), but unsufficiently trained. And since there is noone around who can judge him he pretends to be much more than he is. For many of his troops he is like Vader because they know nothing about what a real Jedi/Sith can do, but half of the time he is merely doing the three tricks he actually is capable of and faking the rest.

He isn't that good with his lightsaber. Most of the time he is probably doing his training by himself and/or hitting defenseless objects/people with it. Maybe he even thinks he can use it properly although he clearly doesn't. Rey is probably not even as good with the Lightsaber as Luke in TESB and still almost able to beat him (injured and not in control of his emotions, granted).

IMO we see traces of a nice character development there, although a little rushed. I wonder how he will look and act in epVIII.

The only thing I don't really understand: How was he able to beat Luke? How were any of those clowns (Knights of Ren or whatever) able to beat Luke? According to everything we know Luke in ROTJ and thereafter is as powerful with the Force as Vader ever was, and probably as good with the lightsaber. Didn't Luke feel something was wrong, like Yoda and Windu did when the Clone Wars started? Didn't he feel the dark side?

As for the rest of the movie btw: Too much recycling and too much fan service, but the movie was... OK I guess.
 
Aginor said:
The only thing I don't really understand: How was he able to beat Luke? How were any of those clowns (Knights of Ren or whatever) able to beat Luke? According to everything we know Luke in ROTJ and thereafter is as powerful with the Force as Vader ever was, and probably as good with the lightsaber. Didn't Luke feel something was wrong, like Yoda and Windu did when the Clone Wars started? Didn't he feel the dark side?
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Do we know that he beat Luke? They might have just simply killed Luke's other students which resulted in Luke feeling the pressure of failing his students, his past and his legacy... thus a self imposed exile.

If Ren did best Luke, that would really bother me. It would make no sense at all. I really hope that isn't the case.
 
Yeah I am pretty sure there wasn't a fight against Luke. What I meant was: how were they able to plot their betrayal and Luke didn't know they would and prevent them from doing so.
 
Aginor said:
Yeah I am pretty sure there wasn't a fight against Luke. What I meant was: how were they able to plot their betrayal and Luke didn't know they would and prevent them from doing so.
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I guess we'll have to stay tuned to find out.

The fact that Kylo is his nephew might have clouded his judgement/feelings.
 
NIGHTBRINGER said:
No Yoda?!?

What about C3PO as True Neutral?
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C3PO is more good than neutral I would say because he is always doing his best to help the heroes. I would class him as neutral good. Chirrut is more neutral than good because he knows the destruction Saw Gerrera's cell were causing and refused to support them against the Empire, only appearing when he sensed Jyn, Cassian and K-2SO were in trouble and not helping the other rebels. I didn't have enough room to put Yoda or Count Dooku in either, although I would say Yoda is lawful good and Dooku is lawful evil.
 
Aginor said:
I found Kylo Ren interesting from a story telling perspective. First I disliked him. His appearance, the way he throws tantrums and the strange thing that somebody who is almost untrained can hold their own against him in a fight, if only for a limited time.

But then I thought about it a bit. Notes:
- Adam Driver looks far less babyfaced in real life than in TFA. -> intentional for dramatic purposes
- hides behind a mask -> he knows that people probably won't take him as serious as they do this way
- throws tantrums
- has HUGE problems with his identity. He is a typical Star Wars character _backwards_. He feels the pull of the light side and tries to resist, instead of the other way round.
- he wants to be like Vader, but fails. And that failure weighs so heavy on him, he is desperate to gain back control. So desperate he even kills his father to finally get it over with.

That guy is a wannabe, who is strong in the force (although probably not as strong as Rey), but unsufficiently trained. And since there is noone around who can judge him he pretends to be much more than he is. For many of his troops he is like Vader because they know nothing about what a real Jedi/Sith can do, but half of the time he is merely doing the three tricks he actually is capable of and faking the rest.

He isn't that good with his lightsaber. Most of the time he is probably doing his training by himself and/or hitting defenseless objects/people with it. Maybe he even thinks he can use it properly although he clearly doesn't. Rey is probably not even as good with the Lightsaber as Luke in TESB and still almost able to beat him (injured and not in control of his emotions, granted).

IMO we see traces of a nice character development there, although a little rushed. I wonder how he will look and act in epVIII.

The only thing I don't really understand: How was he able to beat Luke? How were any of those clowns (Knights of Ren or whatever) able to beat Luke? According to everything we know Luke in ROTJ and thereafter is as powerful with the Force as Vader ever was, and probably as good with the lightsaber. Didn't Luke feel something was wrong, like Yoda and Windu did when the Clone Wars started? Didn't he feel the dark side?

As for the rest of the movie btw: Too much recycling and too much fan service, but the movie was... OK I guess.
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