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AoS Eternal Starhost Question

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i think I may know the answer but it's got me thinking a bit. This is regarding the Patient Guardian ability of the Eternal Starhost. If I march/run/move with the guard on my first turn and then my opponent takes their first turn and then after that we both have taken our first turns it's now round 2. My opponent wins the roll to go first and successfully charges my guard. Do my guard recieve the bonus from Patient Guardian or not?
 
Even if it is technically two combat phases later in the next complete turn?

So..
Turn 1: Me -> Opponent
Turn 2: Opponent (this is where my question comes up)
 
Yes, the movement phase of that round is what counts.
So the bonus only applies in the combat phase of your turn inside that round, and only if you didn't move or charge in that (your) turn.
 
Killer Angel said:
Nope, sorry. You must not move in your move phase, to have the bonus in the following combat phase. ;)
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Well he didn't move in his combat phase, so he now has it in his 2nd turn. If his opponent charges him before his guard even get the chance to move they haven't moved that movement phase so they have the bonus in the combat phase :P
 
Canas said:
Well he didn't move in his combat phase, so he now has it in his 2nd turn. If his opponent charges him before his guard even get the chance to move they haven't moved that movement phase so they have the bonus in the combat phase :p
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The ability triggers specifically if the guards don't move in their combat / move phase. (Otherwise, where is the point? you never move during the opponent's move phase ;))
 
Killer Angel said:
The ability triggers specifically if the guards don't move in their combat / move phase. (Otherwise, where is the point? you never move during the opponent's move phase ;))
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I guess what Canas is trying to say and what I'm getting at is that since it is no longer Turn 1 for everyone and is now Turn 2 for everyone the Guard now haven't had a chance this Turn to have a movement or combat phase to make it disqualified for the bonus.
 
Drcrabs said:
I guess what Canas is trying to say and what I'm getting at is that since it is no longer Turn 1 for everyone and is now Turn 2 for everyone the Guard now haven't had a chance this Turn to have a movement or combat phase to make it disqualified for the bonus.
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So if you went first in round 2 and don't move the ability triggers, if you go second in the round and don't move does the ability trigger in round 3?

Also do both save bonuses apply?
 
Crowsfoot said:
So if you went first in round 2 and don't move the ability triggers, if you go second in the round and don't move does the ability trigger in round 3?

Also do both save bonuses apply?
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No, the bonus triggers in round X if you didn't move in round X, if you get charged before you ever get the oppertunity to move in round X you still haven't moved so it triggers.

Which two save bonusses?
 
Canas said:
No, the bonus triggers in round X if you didn't move in round X, if you get charged before you ever get the oppertunity to move in round X you still haven't moved so it triggers.

Which two save bonusses?
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+1 for being within 8in of a hero and +1 from the battalion
 
Drcrabs said:
I guess what Canas is trying to say and what I'm getting at is that since it is no longer Turn 1 for everyone and is now Turn 2 for everyone the Guard now haven't had a chance this Turn to have a movement or combat phase to make it disqualified for the bonus.
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Patient Guardian simply doesn't work in your opponent 's turn.

Or, at least, that's what's written in the italian version of the book.

This is the literal translation of last part of the italian text for the Patient Guardian ability.

"If a unit of Saurus Guards of an Eternal Starhost in its own move or charge phase, then.. (you have the bonus to damage) ...in the next combat phase"
Which is always your combat phase, that happens right after those move / charge phases.
It doesn't extend to enemy’s turn.

If the original text is different, please let me know, because I've already found a mistake in the translation of another ability.
 
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That is the text in the english book too, at least the gist of it. However, the most logical explenation in this example of it would be:

- Round starts, opponents wins the initiative roll.
1) Enemy moves
2) Guards stay put
3) Guards get charged by enemy
4) Guards don't charge cuz they're already stuck in combat
5) Guards get the damage bonus when they actually get to attack during the combat phase.

What might be causing the confusion is that @Drcrabs is using "turn" and "round" interchangeably. What he meaned is just that what I just described happened.
 
Drcrabs said:
i think I may know the answer but it's got me thinking a bit. This is regarding the Patient Guardian ability of the Eternal Starhost. If I march/run/move with the guard on my first turn and then my opponent takes their first turn and then after that we both have taken our first turns it's now round 2. My opponent wins the roll to go first and successfully charges my guard. Do my guard recieve the bonus from Patient Guardian or not?
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The ability states that it takes effect in "that" turn.

  • Celestite Polearm Damage increased to D3 for following combat phase if Guard unit does not move/charge that turn

The way I see it is that in turn 2 your opponent charges you after rolling initiative, he attacks with one unit. And now it's your turn to attack with the guard. They have yet to move in that turn. So it triggers. It doesn't state whose turn so I assume it counts for both.
If you're stuck in combat and havnt moved yet that turn (both during your turn or theirs) then it triggers in the following combat phase if it was worded as "during your turn" then it wouldn't trigger during their turn 2 combat phase.

Correct me if I'm wrong
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Mind you, it isn't possible to move during your opponents movement phase and they assume you know that so maybe I'm wrong. They could have made it clearer by saying during your turn.
 
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I think the main issue is just the ambiguity in turn & round.. had they used the word "round" it'd been clear enough...

Anyways it'd be a god-awefull ability if it couldn't trigger if your opponent has the priority and chargesthem first..
 
If you have the points, take ten. They are pretty killy in numbers, and will hold an objective like crazy.
 
Since they have only 1 wound taking a bigger unit is probably worth it unless you're facing an anti-horde army.. they're suprisingly squishy with their low wounds, even with the amazing save.
 
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