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Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl
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Now before anyone starts to think 'Oh no, Agragax has really gone off his rocker this time', on the contrary, I have had my mind opened in a way that I would never have thought possible.
For a long time I was a big sceptic of Astrology, partly because my pharmacist mother was always especially quick to dismiss it as superstitious nonsense, and partly because I had the feeling that it was biased against people like me (in popular culture, people with my zodiac sign, Virgo, can often be portrayed as either unattractive or isolationistic celibates).
However, in recent times my viewpoint has changed somewhat after a period of enlightenment. I was cruising the Internet about a week or so back searching for answers to the many different worries I have stuffed away inside the depths of my psyche, when I was led to an Astrology site describing compatibility between people of different zodiac signs in relationships. Out of curiosity I looked up the typical Virgo personality traits, and I was honestly amazed at how similar they are to my own! It was literally as if somebody scuba-dived into my mind and came to the surface with pretty much all my collected personality traits inside their cupped hands. What's more, I started to recognise personality traits in my family and friends that were analogous to their zodiac signs. From then on, I was a changed man. I am still sceptical of the usage of Astrology to predict the future, because humans have never been gifted with the power of foresight, and frankly I don't think our species ever will be. On the other hand, as a method of categorising the different personalities of people and establishing the most compatible partners and most suitable careers for them (like the Myers-Briggs personality types @DeathBringer125 advocated in his thread here), I really do wonder if it has a basis in truth.
Now as @Aginor said in another thread, when it comes to relevance to the actual stars, Astrology suffers pretty badly, because the times of year at which the constellations appear in the night sky have shifted forward from their allocated periods in the zodiac. However, I imagine that in antiquity when the constellations were first noted, I wouldn't be surprised that these constellations did appear at the periods attributed to them in the zodiac. Furthermore, I believe that is where the connection between the zodiac and the stars ends. Far from being a device used for hokey fortune-telling rituals, I have theorised that the zodiac was orginally a form of calendar (probably developed by the Ancient Greeks given the signs all have connotations with Greek Mythology) and that the constellations were always merely a naming convention, nothing more, as those who developed it in antiquity couldn't think of any other standardised set of names for the twelve periods within it and because at that time, as mentioned earlier, it is certainly possible that each of the constellations originally did appear at its alotted time in the zodiac (otherwise, why would each period in the zodiac have been named after its constellation?). What's more, each 'month' of this calendar could easily have been used to categorise the people born in that month because it was discovered that they all had some shared similar traits. I say this, because in at least some cases the traits of people born in particular star signs would have made them very useful at helping their community or tribe at that time of year. For instance, the Virgo period (late August to early September) is the period of transition between summer and autumn, and historically the period when the harvest would begin - at this time Virgo's meticulousness, attention to detail and perfectionism would have been very useful in making sure every single scrap of edible crop would have been gathered. Similarly, Capricorn's very high willpower and determination would have made them especially useful at the heart of winter around the time they would have been born, as it would have helped to avoid the temptation of eating all the gathered food at once and would have gone the extra mile to topping up those stores with the little remaining food to be found outside (though in modern times it translates to the unbelievably amazing amounts of work @Scalenex puts out on his fantasy RPG world, the Lustriapedia and various metadata threads, not to mention the Short Story Contests every few months and the biennial Poetry Contests - I salute you sir!
).
Despite all of humanity's advancements and technologies, at our core we still aren't really that much different to the humans of antiquity who first devised this zodiac system, or even the very first humans to exist. It could easily be possible that the air pressure and temperature of the particular time period in which we are born could help to awaken particular primal traits and instincts within us that are associated with that particular time of year so that we would have been most useful to our tribe or community at that point in time, like other animals instinctively know when seasons are changing without the need to describe them in a language or to analyse the physical signs of change in season in their mind as we do. Perhaps the zodiac was always a method developed by the Ancient Greeks specifically to categorise and analyse this phenomenon, i.e. it was the very first set of personality types. True, genetics and upbringing also have definite influences upon our personalities, and any aspects of your personality that are contrary to your signs are probably due to these factors, but I'm still confident that this is why our personalities are so uncannily similar to the typical personalities of our zodiac signs.
Similarly, the so-called 'planets' are used to describe different aspects of a person's thinking and feeling, so in actual fact these could allude to the way different parts of said person's brain work, once again using the same 12 core personalities to derive them - Mercury representing how you communicate, Venus representing how you love someone, Mars representing our drive in the intimacy department and how we handle aggression, Jupiter representing your aspirations and what makes you more successful, Saturn representing your fears and how you discipline yourself, Uranus representing how we handle change and solve problems, Neptune representing our dreams and ideas and Pluto representing the nature of our bad habits and secrets that we keep from others.
Indeed I believe that it must have been only many years later, at a time period like the Middle Ages when people were much more superstitious, that it would have been believed that the zodiac was influenced by the actual constellations its months were named after and people would have coined the term Astrology to mean 'the study of the stars' to acknowledge that, when in fact it has very little to do with it at all (studying the stars themselves is Astronomy's department). Add to that centuries of paranoia surrounding divination and the occult that came with Christianity, and dabblings in said divination and the occult that came with cults created to rebel against Christianity, and we find the zodiac is now wreathed in superstition. It is fortunate that the one purpose of it that does show concrete signs of truth, personality analysis, has also managed to survive relatively intact.
Therefore, I have set up this thread to discuss what is actually an extremely interesting and in-depth way of analysing and evaluating one's personality.
I'll start off with yours truly - as a Virgo Sun I am perfectionistic, meticulous, discerning and orderly (indeed you've probably seen how I take up the role of Order in debates against NIGHTBRINGER's Chaos). I'm especially discerning about what I eat and drink and the sorts of girls I'm attracted to, and when I was very little I used to be fussy about all sorts of other things (the colours of things, e.t.c). Outwardly I appear shy, I don't always disclose my emotions, and can't get my head around small talk, but when someone mentions something I'm interested in and/or something I've thought a lot about I ramble on for ages (rather like I'm doing here now) as I unload everything I've thought about and mulled over ever since I started studying whatever it was onto everyone. I do like to think I'm pretty darn good at communicating with the written word (because I have all the time in the world to think about what I want to say) but still need to work on communicating verbally because whenever I try to get what I'm thinking of saying past the gulf between the physical world and my mental world, it often comes out very hesitantly. I do work hard, but if my mind isn't properly motivated enough I have a tendency to get distracted by something else more inspiring (generally something Warhammer-related
). As a result I tend to take quite a while to do something, but I do put my all into whatever task I do and most of the time it turns out well because of quality prevailing over quantity. I'm actually one of the more diplomatic of my kind as I think before I say anything and though I can quite often think of something to criticise someone that doesn't meet up to my expectations of respectability, it most often stays in my mind. I dislike anything that is chaotic, disorganised, crude or noisy. I always do all I can to help and support my friends and family in anything and if I'm not doing anything to help I worry if I'm being lazy (in fact I worry about all sorts of things, most specifically my future in terms of romance, e.t.c).
Famous Virgos include H.G. Wells and George R.R. Martin (which explains why the latter is taking forever to finish the Game of Thrones books
).
Of course, there is more to someone's personality to their Sun Sign - everyone also has a Moon Sign, and one's personality is mostly divided between your Sun and Moon Signs. While Astrology sites advocate that your Moon signs are an equal part of your personality makeup as your Sun Sign, indicating how you perceive emotions, I have theorised that the ratio of one's personality dedicated to each of your Sun and Moon signs must vary, because I myself have very few traits of my Moon Sign (Sagittarius). Probably the only trait vaguely Sagittarian I can think of off the top of my head is that while I don't mind a routine of some sort, I do get fed up if my family and I go to the same place every week (which we actually often used to do before lockdown, a town near me that has a decent bookshop and WHSmiths but no model shop at all and the last toy shop closed ages ago) - I like a bit of variation on where I go out. I don't mind going to the same place once every few weeks or so but once a week is too often and my interest starts to wane. I'm thinking that the ratio is dependent upon whether you are born closer to midday (when the Sun is ascendant and your Sun Sign could be most prominent) or to midnight (when the Moon is ascendant and you could display more affinity toward your Moon Sign). Certainly I was born only an hour after midday, so I would believe that is why I feel a lot greater affinity toward my Virgo Sun than my Saggittarius Moon. Conversely I have met people who have shown a lot more traits akin to their Moon Sign, such as a friend of mine who had a Cancerian Sun but was not very emotional and was much more hardworking and ambitious like her Capricorn Moon.
On top of this, you have your Ascendant Sign, which depends upon the hour at which you were born (so you'll need to know the time at which you arrived into the world) and adds an extra layer to your personality. My Ascendant is Scorpio, and while I am normally quite calm, logical, helpful and caring as per my Virgo Sun, if something gets on my wick or my logic fails me I do feel my Scorpio side trying to break through to show some emotion (including in some angry posts on here, sorry chaps, I do try to keep it under control, honest
). I also feel more confident in doing things when I allow my instincts to guide me, and I am fiercely protective of people and values that are dear to me (which you've probably seen whenever I defend the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy and Rogue One ). I am extremely loyal, cannot stand betrayal, and tend to remember affronts that I have yet to forgive. I also highly value my privacy, like to be in control and have quite a strategical mind.
As for my planets, they are:
Mercury, Venus and Mars - Leo (When I overcome my initial hesitancy I can be quite a strong communicator, especially if I have sufficient time to think about how to voice my views and responses. Additionally I do tend to have very passionate and devoted feelings towards any young lady I develop an attraction to, which would manifest themselves quite openly if I were granted the privilege of being in a relatonship with said lady)
Jupiter - Pisces (I generally tend to be very successful in helping other people, which is currently true at the moment as I've been doing well helping some of my elderly relatives with gardening and housework during lockdown)
Saturn - Taurus (I don't like to see anyone be greedy or wasteful, and try to avoid looking greedy or wasteful myself)
Uranus - Aquarius (I'm quite adaptable to change, even though it takes me a while to get used to it, and am quite inventive at solving problems)
Neptune - Capricorn (I like to think quietly, slowly and by myself when deciding upon new ideas and often muse about how I can improve my standing in society)
Pluto - Saggitarius (Sometimes I feel bad about replying upon others for assistance, and I often stick too rigidly to my principles)
So I pose to you the question - what are your Sun, Moon and Ascendant signs and your planets, and the personality that comes with them? I'm very curious to see what you all are.
It's easy to determine your Sun Sign (little more than a Google search with your birth date will do it), but Moon, Ascendant and Planet signs require the use of calculators - here are Moon and Ascendant Sign calculators to get you started:
https://cafeastrology.com/whats-my-moon-sign.html
https://cafeastrology.com/whats-my-ascendant-sign.html
For a long time I was a big sceptic of Astrology, partly because my pharmacist mother was always especially quick to dismiss it as superstitious nonsense, and partly because I had the feeling that it was biased against people like me (in popular culture, people with my zodiac sign, Virgo, can often be portrayed as either unattractive or isolationistic celibates).
However, in recent times my viewpoint has changed somewhat after a period of enlightenment. I was cruising the Internet about a week or so back searching for answers to the many different worries I have stuffed away inside the depths of my psyche, when I was led to an Astrology site describing compatibility between people of different zodiac signs in relationships. Out of curiosity I looked up the typical Virgo personality traits, and I was honestly amazed at how similar they are to my own! It was literally as if somebody scuba-dived into my mind and came to the surface with pretty much all my collected personality traits inside their cupped hands. What's more, I started to recognise personality traits in my family and friends that were analogous to their zodiac signs. From then on, I was a changed man. I am still sceptical of the usage of Astrology to predict the future, because humans have never been gifted with the power of foresight, and frankly I don't think our species ever will be. On the other hand, as a method of categorising the different personalities of people and establishing the most compatible partners and most suitable careers for them (like the Myers-Briggs personality types @DeathBringer125 advocated in his thread here), I really do wonder if it has a basis in truth.
Now as @Aginor said in another thread, when it comes to relevance to the actual stars, Astrology suffers pretty badly, because the times of year at which the constellations appear in the night sky have shifted forward from their allocated periods in the zodiac. However, I imagine that in antiquity when the constellations were first noted, I wouldn't be surprised that these constellations did appear at the periods attributed to them in the zodiac. Furthermore, I believe that is where the connection between the zodiac and the stars ends. Far from being a device used for hokey fortune-telling rituals, I have theorised that the zodiac was orginally a form of calendar (probably developed by the Ancient Greeks given the signs all have connotations with Greek Mythology) and that the constellations were always merely a naming convention, nothing more, as those who developed it in antiquity couldn't think of any other standardised set of names for the twelve periods within it and because at that time, as mentioned earlier, it is certainly possible that each of the constellations originally did appear at its alotted time in the zodiac (otherwise, why would each period in the zodiac have been named after its constellation?). What's more, each 'month' of this calendar could easily have been used to categorise the people born in that month because it was discovered that they all had some shared similar traits. I say this, because in at least some cases the traits of people born in particular star signs would have made them very useful at helping their community or tribe at that time of year. For instance, the Virgo period (late August to early September) is the period of transition between summer and autumn, and historically the period when the harvest would begin - at this time Virgo's meticulousness, attention to detail and perfectionism would have been very useful in making sure every single scrap of edible crop would have been gathered. Similarly, Capricorn's very high willpower and determination would have made them especially useful at the heart of winter around the time they would have been born, as it would have helped to avoid the temptation of eating all the gathered food at once and would have gone the extra mile to topping up those stores with the little remaining food to be found outside (though in modern times it translates to the unbelievably amazing amounts of work @Scalenex puts out on his fantasy RPG world, the Lustriapedia and various metadata threads, not to mention the Short Story Contests every few months and the biennial Poetry Contests - I salute you sir!
). Despite all of humanity's advancements and technologies, at our core we still aren't really that much different to the humans of antiquity who first devised this zodiac system, or even the very first humans to exist. It could easily be possible that the air pressure and temperature of the particular time period in which we are born could help to awaken particular primal traits and instincts within us that are associated with that particular time of year so that we would have been most useful to our tribe or community at that point in time, like other animals instinctively know when seasons are changing without the need to describe them in a language or to analyse the physical signs of change in season in their mind as we do. Perhaps the zodiac was always a method developed by the Ancient Greeks specifically to categorise and analyse this phenomenon, i.e. it was the very first set of personality types. True, genetics and upbringing also have definite influences upon our personalities, and any aspects of your personality that are contrary to your signs are probably due to these factors, but I'm still confident that this is why our personalities are so uncannily similar to the typical personalities of our zodiac signs.
Similarly, the so-called 'planets' are used to describe different aspects of a person's thinking and feeling, so in actual fact these could allude to the way different parts of said person's brain work, once again using the same 12 core personalities to derive them - Mercury representing how you communicate, Venus representing how you love someone, Mars representing our drive in the intimacy department and how we handle aggression, Jupiter representing your aspirations and what makes you more successful, Saturn representing your fears and how you discipline yourself, Uranus representing how we handle change and solve problems, Neptune representing our dreams and ideas and Pluto representing the nature of our bad habits and secrets that we keep from others.
Indeed I believe that it must have been only many years later, at a time period like the Middle Ages when people were much more superstitious, that it would have been believed that the zodiac was influenced by the actual constellations its months were named after and people would have coined the term Astrology to mean 'the study of the stars' to acknowledge that, when in fact it has very little to do with it at all (studying the stars themselves is Astronomy's department). Add to that centuries of paranoia surrounding divination and the occult that came with Christianity, and dabblings in said divination and the occult that came with cults created to rebel against Christianity, and we find the zodiac is now wreathed in superstition. It is fortunate that the one purpose of it that does show concrete signs of truth, personality analysis, has also managed to survive relatively intact.
Therefore, I have set up this thread to discuss what is actually an extremely interesting and in-depth way of analysing and evaluating one's personality.
I'll start off with yours truly - as a Virgo Sun I am perfectionistic, meticulous, discerning and orderly (indeed you've probably seen how I take up the role of Order in debates against NIGHTBRINGER's Chaos). I'm especially discerning about what I eat and drink and the sorts of girls I'm attracted to, and when I was very little I used to be fussy about all sorts of other things (the colours of things, e.t.c). Outwardly I appear shy, I don't always disclose my emotions, and can't get my head around small talk, but when someone mentions something I'm interested in and/or something I've thought a lot about I ramble on for ages (rather like I'm doing here now) as I unload everything I've thought about and mulled over ever since I started studying whatever it was onto everyone. I do like to think I'm pretty darn good at communicating with the written word (because I have all the time in the world to think about what I want to say) but still need to work on communicating verbally because whenever I try to get what I'm thinking of saying past the gulf between the physical world and my mental world, it often comes out very hesitantly. I do work hard, but if my mind isn't properly motivated enough I have a tendency to get distracted by something else more inspiring (generally something Warhammer-related
). As a result I tend to take quite a while to do something, but I do put my all into whatever task I do and most of the time it turns out well because of quality prevailing over quantity. I'm actually one of the more diplomatic of my kind as I think before I say anything and though I can quite often think of something to criticise someone that doesn't meet up to my expectations of respectability, it most often stays in my mind. I dislike anything that is chaotic, disorganised, crude or noisy. I always do all I can to help and support my friends and family in anything and if I'm not doing anything to help I worry if I'm being lazy (in fact I worry about all sorts of things, most specifically my future in terms of romance, e.t.c).Famous Virgos include H.G. Wells and George R.R. Martin (which explains why the latter is taking forever to finish the Game of Thrones books
).Of course, there is more to someone's personality to their Sun Sign - everyone also has a Moon Sign, and one's personality is mostly divided between your Sun and Moon Signs. While Astrology sites advocate that your Moon signs are an equal part of your personality makeup as your Sun Sign, indicating how you perceive emotions, I have theorised that the ratio of one's personality dedicated to each of your Sun and Moon signs must vary, because I myself have very few traits of my Moon Sign (Sagittarius). Probably the only trait vaguely Sagittarian I can think of off the top of my head is that while I don't mind a routine of some sort, I do get fed up if my family and I go to the same place every week (which we actually often used to do before lockdown, a town near me that has a decent bookshop and WHSmiths but no model shop at all and the last toy shop closed ages ago) - I like a bit of variation on where I go out. I don't mind going to the same place once every few weeks or so but once a week is too often and my interest starts to wane. I'm thinking that the ratio is dependent upon whether you are born closer to midday (when the Sun is ascendant and your Sun Sign could be most prominent) or to midnight (when the Moon is ascendant and you could display more affinity toward your Moon Sign). Certainly I was born only an hour after midday, so I would believe that is why I feel a lot greater affinity toward my Virgo Sun than my Saggittarius Moon. Conversely I have met people who have shown a lot more traits akin to their Moon Sign, such as a friend of mine who had a Cancerian Sun but was not very emotional and was much more hardworking and ambitious like her Capricorn Moon.
On top of this, you have your Ascendant Sign, which depends upon the hour at which you were born (so you'll need to know the time at which you arrived into the world) and adds an extra layer to your personality. My Ascendant is Scorpio, and while I am normally quite calm, logical, helpful and caring as per my Virgo Sun, if something gets on my wick or my logic fails me I do feel my Scorpio side trying to break through to show some emotion (including in some angry posts on here, sorry chaps, I do try to keep it under control, honest
). I also feel more confident in doing things when I allow my instincts to guide me, and I am fiercely protective of people and values that are dear to me (which you've probably seen whenever I defend the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy and Rogue One ). I am extremely loyal, cannot stand betrayal, and tend to remember affronts that I have yet to forgive. I also highly value my privacy, like to be in control and have quite a strategical mind.As for my planets, they are:
Mercury, Venus and Mars - Leo (When I overcome my initial hesitancy I can be quite a strong communicator, especially if I have sufficient time to think about how to voice my views and responses. Additionally I do tend to have very passionate and devoted feelings towards any young lady I develop an attraction to, which would manifest themselves quite openly if I were granted the privilege of being in a relatonship with said lady)
Jupiter - Pisces (I generally tend to be very successful in helping other people, which is currently true at the moment as I've been doing well helping some of my elderly relatives with gardening and housework during lockdown)
Saturn - Taurus (I don't like to see anyone be greedy or wasteful, and try to avoid looking greedy or wasteful myself)
Uranus - Aquarius (I'm quite adaptable to change, even though it takes me a while to get used to it, and am quite inventive at solving problems)
Neptune - Capricorn (I like to think quietly, slowly and by myself when deciding upon new ideas and often muse about how I can improve my standing in society)
Pluto - Saggitarius (Sometimes I feel bad about replying upon others for assistance, and I often stick too rigidly to my principles)
So I pose to you the question - what are your Sun, Moon and Ascendant signs and your planets, and the personality that comes with them? I'm very curious to see what you all are.
It's easy to determine your Sun Sign (little more than a Google search with your birth date will do it), but Moon, Ascendant and Planet signs require the use of calculators - here are Moon and Ascendant Sign calculators to get you started:
https://cafeastrology.com/whats-my-moon-sign.html
https://cafeastrology.com/whats-my-ascendant-sign.html
