8th Ed. SCGT Comp

[Gary_M]

NB Mods, wasn't sure where this would be best put, so please move if appropriate. Thanks.

At very short notice I have a game tonight vs Skaven under the above comp system. It's the same player I got a losing draw against a few weeks ago.

For those not versed in SCGT Comp, it works as follows:

5 - (number of power pool choices) + (soft pool bonus points) = comp score.
Max 5 power pool choices, no limit on number of soft choices but max bonus points is still 5
So comp score will range from 0 - 10.
Lower = power list
Higher = fluff list

The full details can be found at www.heelanhammer.com

For Lizardmen the pool choices are as follows:

Power pool
Scar vet or Oldblood mounted on cold one (each after 2nd counts as 2)
Each scar vet after the 3rd (in addition to the restriction above)
Slann Mage priest with channeling staff and harmonic convergence
Each slann Mage priest after the 1st
Skink skirmishers after the third unit
Skink cohort not containing kroxigor under 15 models after the 2nd
Tetto
Lord Kroak

Soft pool
Kroc-gar
Tehenhauin on ancient Steg
Chakak
Gor-rok
Mazdamundi
Carnosaur
Troglodon (counts as 2, max 1)
Basti (max 1)
Kroxigor unit (not taken with skinks)
2+ razordons (max 1)
Tik taq to
EoTG upgrade

So if I've worked it out correctly my previous list was comp 3(!). I now want a fluffy list as I don't want to be seen as a power list gamer.

My opponent has told me his (new?) list is comp 6.

Skaven choices:
Power pool
Hellpit
Storm banner
Storm fiends
Warp lightning cannon
Doomwheel
Warlock character after the 3rd
50+ Skaven slaves counts as 2*
A unit of 60+ counts as 3*
A unit of 70+ counts as 5*
* these are not cumulative.

Soft choices
5+ poison globadiers
20+ models giant rack pack (max 1)
Rat ogres
Night runners with warp grinder
Plague censor bearers
Jezzqils
30+ clan rats
Lord skrolk
Than quoll and bone ripper
Ikit claw
Throt the unclean
Queen head taker
Vermin Lord
Death master snitch
Thretch craven tail

I was thinking of a slann, possibly lore of light, (no harmonic / staff combo)
Priest
Scar vet on foot
2 x 25 Saurus
2 / 3 x 10 skink skirmishers
25/26 TG
basti
Trog (never used before, but thought the primal roar thing could be good if I can get all Saurus and the TG into combat at the same time)
3 Terradons
2 sallies

No idea on what that little lot is in points, but any thoughts fellow cold bloods?

 

[Gary_M]

http://www.heelanhammer.com/SCGT/SCGT2015RPF.pdf This is a direct link to the pack.

 

[GCPD]

I submitted my comp 4 list at the weekend

There was a one day practice event under this comp a couple of weeks ago and it quickly emerged that mobile non fast cav fortitude was key. You might want to consider a unit of cold one riders for just that purpose (also not terrible agaonsy skaven). I think the two units of Saurus is too much and you could drop one for a couple of mid sized units of skinks with flags. Why not gor rok instead of the scar vet?

Having a lower comp isn't the end of the world as the missions are fairly obvious and most are fairly easy to deny, but you'll want to avoid the +2 dice rolls.

 

[Gary_M]

I'm not going to the event (never done a WFB Tournie and not going to start with this one!)
I had considered a list that got me to 9! No minuses, but pluses from a Basti, Trog (counts as 2) and EoTG Ancient Steg.
I just dont like the list!
Think I will go with something very similar to my original list, and may be just drop the Channeling Staff and Harmonic Convergence combination to make it a 4 comp score. That would give me 45 more points to play with.
Spears on 6 cold ones (24) leaves 21. Add musician to cold ones (10) leaves 11. Give Slann Banner of Eternal Flame (10) leaves one so list would be 2398.
Or Spears as above plus Reservoir of Eldritch Energy for 20. List would again be 2398. This sounds better to me.

So list will be:
Slann, becalming cogitation, focus of mystery, reservoir of eldritch energy, bsb
Skink Priest, lvl 1, dispell scroll
Scar Vet, Cold one, Great Weapon, AofD.
Scar Vet, Cold One, light armour, Great weapon, Steg Helm, Luck stone
3 x 10 skink skirmishers
33 Saurus Warriors, full command, spears.
6 Cold one riders, leader and standard bearer, spears
Basti with solar engine
3 terradon riders
Ancient steg, blowpipes unstoppable stamped and sharpened horns.
1 sallie plus snack
2 sallies in one pack plus snacks.
Total 2398. Comp Score 4.

Last time I was a failed charge away froma winning draw against tonights oppo (a regualr tournie player).

 

[GCPD]

Looks better to me tbh. Just bare in mindt that there is a building cap of 20. Currently you can't contest that without losing model from the big infantry units.

 

[NexS1]

I refuse to play SCGT comp pack games unless the battle points have a comp swing.
Last I played it the lowest comp score got +1 to dice rolls pre-game. Load of steaming crap. Lowest comp gets to choose who wins the rolls, maybe, anything else - no chance.
If i played that tournament again, I'd go comp 0 without a second thought.

 

[Gary_M]

@NexS1 having played the game yesterday I can see your point of view! I know its meant to even things out, but just looked to me that with saurus being somewhat less than competitive, our options are very limited unless you go for a very low comp score (0 is quite easy for us to achieve I reckon)
Like I said he had a Comp Score of 6. Because of this we played battle for the pass. His army came with three big rat things that not only burrowed but had a ratling gun AND one of the new monsters which I failed singularly to deal with. The ratling guns unit actually routed off the table having failed a leadership test due to be routed through, but getting rid of them was more by luck than judgement.
The other monster only had a 6+ armour save but a 4+ ward (I can't remember the name of it). I should have magiced it to death but was too busy using other spells. Oh well. Live and learn.
In the end I took a heavy beating due to the comp system of scoring (missions etc). While I would have lost in an 'ordinary' game, it would have been closer given his losses.

 

[GCPD]

I refuse to play SCGT comp pack games unless the battle points have a comp swing.
Last I played it the lowest comp score got +1 to dice rolls pre-game. Load of steaming crap. Lowest comp gets to choose who wins the rolls, maybe, anything else - no chance.
If i played that tournament again, I'd go comp 0 without a second thought.

Not sure what version of the comp pack you've played, but it's never been that (even last year). If your comp score is double or more than the opponent, its +2. Higher and its +1. The rolls are first turn, type of deployment, and pick who deploys first also, as well as scouts and vanguard. Plus, whoever has the lowest comp score also has to reveal their secret mission. Comp scores also settle tiebreakers in overall standings (more important to tournament than a friendly match, granted). Given that scoring your mission and denying your opponents is more TPs than winning by VPs, I'd say that comp differences are pretty important.

 

[NexS1]

I made a.mistake in my post when I referred to the player who gets the bonus to pre game rolls. I played almost exactly the same as you describe gcpd.
I stand by my statement that it's a.crap comp system and doesn't level lists out fairly.having a bonus to dice rolls means nothing if you roll a 1 and your comp 0 opponent rolls a 3+.
There is no disadvantage to having a nasty list and no real advantage to having a fluffy list. If you get matched up with a nasty list and get smashed, no amount of point denying or +1/+2 can help.
That's my experience in it, anyway