8th Ed. New Lizard models previewed!

[shattershell]

Hello everyone. What do you all think of these new models, in terms of using them for 6th/8th edition? There's many pictures of a new Slann, Skink cavalry, and Saurus on a new Warhammer Community article:

https://www.warhammer-community.com...n-starmaster-spawns-alongside-fresh-seraphon/

I'm most excited by the Saurus. I won't be using them for my big blocks of 30 (I've already painted my old models and am happy with them). But I'll definitely get some to convert into Scar-Veterans and Oldbloods!









I can't help but suspect this passage from the article might be a cryptic hint that these models are designed with The Old World compatibility in mind:

"Almost all Seraphon come in two varieties – the flesh-and-blood Coalesced, and phantasmal Starborne. These detail-packed miniatures look amazing when painted to represent either – that green Saurus Warrior also makes us feel very nostalgic…"

Or is that wishful thinking on my part? I'm curious to know how easily these hefty boyes will rank up.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

Because I can be lazy, I'll just quote what I said in the GW News thread in General Hobby Chat:

A very nice Slann model indeed! GW have finally listened to one of my wishes (it won't last mind). I dread to think how much he'll be, but given he's on a Carnifex-sized base and GW still price Carnifex-size units resonably (around £30-£35) surely it'll be about that much, won't it?












Won't it?




Now I like these Skink Cavalry a lot. A nice reinvention of the old Horned One Riders. Either rules for these will be cropping up in an expansion for the Lizardman army book or I may well just save them for one possible army list I had in the works called Warhammer: Cult of Sotek...





I'm really not hugely fond of these Saurus to be honest, principally because they seem to have got the guy who sculpted the Carnosaur Oldblood in permanently to sculpt Saurus - these have the same fat feet and short jaws. Give me more Saurus sculpts like the plastic foot Oldblood any day. The shields are also too AoS-ified, give me back the old scaled shields when Lizardmen were Lizardmen. But then, I already have enough of the old Saurus for my needs.

But, for those who wanted Saurus to be more hench and weren't worried about giving them proper-sized jaws, I hope you'll be happy with those.

Also I'm most looking forward to see what other Lizardman content GW has up their sleeves. This looks to be an all-out army refresh, something I wasn't expecting after Warriors of Chaos had one so soon.

 

[Krox_v.2]

As I said in the General Hobby Chat thread, I want to convert some of the skink cavalry for use in 6th edition as Tich Huichi's Raiders or even "counts as" cold one cavalry. I'm still somewhat put off by the new Slann. Palanquin is ostentatious. The new Saurus look more like characters rather than rank and file troops. I also am unsure about how they would rank up.

 

[ASSASSIN_NR_1]

I quite like all the models. I like the added detail to the Slann, although I prefer the current model's expression.
The skink cavalry is interesting and I love raptors.
The Saurus I love, now they look more like their artwork.

Regarding whether they will work well with 6th to 8th in rank and file units... who knows yet, but I for one will make it work and plan to sort of start a new lizardmen army with the upcoming models, I won't be using them as lizards I think, but by the old ones I will make them work, I like the Saurus too much not to.

 

[BigDinosaur]

These saurus will not be sold for TOW, they will probably make a separate line or continue producing the 6th edition ones.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

These saurus will not be sold for TOW, they will probably make a separate line or continue producing the 6th edition ones.

I can't picture GW continuing to stock and sell the old Saurus once the new ones drop.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

These saurus will not be sold for TOW, they will probably make a separate line or continue producing the 6th edition ones.

I can't picture GW continuing to stock and sell the old Saurus once the new ones drop.

Well they continue to stock the older plastic Ork Boyz kit for 40K (which debuted in 4th Edition 40K) alongside the monopose new box released in 2021, and many folk are glad they do, so anything could happen.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Well they continue to stock the older plastic Ork Boyz kit for 40K (which debuted in 4th Edition 40K) alongside the monopose new box released in 2021, and many folk are glad they do, so anything could happen.

Fair enough. Strange times.

I do wonder how many of the old Saurus kits they would sell when they're contrasted by their newer and snazzier counterparts.

 

[BigDinosaur]

About the saurus warriors, If you pay attention to the design, it tells the whole story really...

Oversized, overly dynamic poses and most importantly: straight tails floating mid-air...
There is just no way you can rank them for fantasy/TOW, even with the circular movement trays. And even if you do, you would be at a strategical disadvantage by having large units for movement and combat against an oponent playing more optimally sized units with more density of models.

Also the poses are just not designed for a rank and file game, but to be moved and displayed as single miniatures.

The style of the miniatures also doesn't fit with what fantasy or old world players are expecting... the over the top anime-like ridiculous designs belong to AoS with a customer base who is demanding that.

Lizardmen are not even going to be a priority for the old world... if we see new old world models for lizardmen we will have to wait for at least a couple years.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

and most importantly: straight tails floating mid-air...
There is just no way you can rank them for fantasy/TOW, even with the circular movement trays.

I noticed that as well. Those straight tails will make ranking up models extremely difficult, if not outright impossible. The weapons are a problem too as they stick out well beyond the boundaries of a normal sized base.

I'm sure someone will find a way to Tetris them into a rank-and-file unit, but will it be worth the effort? And will it look good?

The style of the miniatures also doesn't fit with what fantasy or old world players are expecting... the over the top anime-like ridiculous designs belong to AoS with a customer base who is demanding that.

Aesthetically I really like the designs, and there are few more diehard WHFB guys on this forum than me (you too @Lizards of Renown , we're not forgetting you). I think they are a huge improvement over their predecessors. The only thing I'm not a fan of are their shields.

 

[BigDinosaur]

Aesthetically I really like the designs, and there are few more diehard WHFB guys on this forum than me (you too @Lizards of Renown , we're not forgetting you). I think they are a huge improvement over their predecessors. The only thing I'm not a fan of are their shields.

Yes I agree, shields are too over the top, but the poses just dont work. The design reminds me of the carnosaur rider.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Yes I agree, shields are too over the top, but the poses just dont work. The design reminds me of the carnosaur rider.

I guess to each their own. I like them, but as they won't rank up, it's a moot point.

 

[airjamy]

About the saurus warriors, If you pay attention to the design, it tells the whole story really...

Oversized, overly dynamic poses and most importantly: straight tails floating mid-air...
There is just no way you can rank them for fantasy/TOW, even with the circular movement trays. And even if you do, you would be at a strategical disadvantage by having large units for movement and combat against an oponent playing more optimally sized units with more density of models.

Also the poses are just not designed for a rank and file game, but to be moved and displayed as single miniatures.

The style of the miniatures also doesn't fit with what fantasy or old world players are expecting... the over the top anime-like ridiculous designs belong to AoS with a customer base who is demanding that.

Lizardmen are not even going to be a priority for the old world... if we see new old world models for lizardmen we will have to wait for at least a couple years.

I am not quite sure if i agree on this. These are AoS models, so they are supposed to be looked towards for AoS usability. I agree they do not work rank and file, but they were never supposed to, so i do not think that really says much to GW's disposition towards LM being in TOW? I mean, you also do not look towards the League of Votann models (the new Dwarves in 40K) to see how GW looks towards the TOW Dwarves right?

I must say i kinda like them, esp the Skink next to the Slann, and the Saurus banging on the drum looks like he is having a good time. They will not work rank and file though, so i probably won't get these guys. Maybe the Slann, would he work on the old base for the few times a year i get to play 8th?

 

[Krox_v.2]

I am not quite sure if i agree on this. These are AoS models, so they are supposed to be looked towards for AoS usability. I agree they do not work rank and file, but they were never supposed to, so i do not think that really says much to GW's disposition towards LM being in TOW? I mean, you also do not look towards the League of Votann models (the new Dwarves in 40K) to see how GW looks towards the TOW Dwarves right?

I must say i kinda like them, esp the Skink next to the Slann, and the Saurus banging on the drum looks like he is having a good time. They will not work rank and file though, so i probably won't get these guys. Maybe the Slann, would he work on the old base for the few times a year i get to play 8th?

I have heard rumors saying that GW might be producing kits with an eye towards AOS and Warhammer: TOW cross compatibility.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

I have heard rumors saying that GW might be producing kits with an eye towards AOS and Warhammer: TOW cross compatibility.

That would make sense. Two consumer bases to sell the same model.

 

[Karnus]

I guess to each their own. I like them, but as they won't rank up, it's a moot point.

yeeeeaaahhhhh they will, I reckon there’s enough space between the chest/legs of the model behind to fit the tail. Bit like the droid tanks in the phantom menace?