7th Ed. New 2000 pt army: Wrath from the heavens

[Momo the Slann]

So here is my very first 2000 pt army list!

I am going for a somewhat balanced force with a penchant for magic. I welcome all constructive criticism and look forward to your suggestions.

I am still new at this, so feel free to give me some strategic pointers as well!


Slann Mage Priest Lord
Focus of Mystery
Higher State of Consciousness
Soul of Stone
Divine Plaque of Protection

Skink Priest Hero
Lv 2
Engine of the Gods
Dispel Scroll

Saurus Scar-Veteran Hero
Cold One
Light armour
Shield
Venom of the Firefly Frog
War Drum of Xahutec
Spear

20 Saurus Warriors Core
Full Command


10 Skink Skirmishers Core

10 Skinks Skirmishers Core

16 Temple Guards Special
Musician
Standard Bearer
Champion
War Banner
5 Cold One Rider Special
Full Command

3 Terradon Riders Special

Total 1998



Any thoughts?

 

[thesecondman]

Hi there. Your army is pretty close to what i would take in a 200 pointer, but i would make a few changes.
Please note that i'm always spamming the army list section, and that if im to the point its not to be rude, merely efficient. Here is your list with associated (and opinion-based) changes. Feel free to post if you wanna query any of the changed i've suggested.


Slann Mage Priest Lord
Focus of Mystery
Higher State of Consciousness (DROP - Change to FOCUSSED RUMINATION> VERY IMPORTANT)
Soul of Stone (DROP. Waste of points)
Divine Plaque of Protection (DROP. Waste of points. CHANGE for Cupped Hands of the Old Ones)
(MAKE SLANN the Battle Standard Bearer)

Skink Priest Hero
Lv 2
Engine of the Gods
Dispel Scroll (DROP, unless theres nothing else you can buy with the points. You have lots of dispel dice)

Saurus Scar-Veteran Hero
Cold One (DROP. Points Waste. If cold one unit fails stupidity, this item still does nothing. On foot with Charm and great weapon you can deploy in unit of saurus. Safer and more reliable).
Light armour
Shield
Venom of the Firefly Frog (DROP. SWAP for Charm of the Jaguar Warrior)
War Drum of Xahutec (DROP. Points waste)
Spear (DROP. Points waste..Change for Great Weapon)

20 Saurus Warriors Core (Make unit of 18. GIVE SPEARS. Rank 6x3)
Full Command


10 Skink Skirmishers Core

10 Skinks Skirmishers Core

16 Temple Guards Special
Musician
Standard Bearer
Champion
War Banner

5 Cold One Rider Special
Full Command

3 Terradon Riders Special

With the points that you free up from dropping certain magic items and troops, you will probably want to purchase some skink skirmishers, a small unit of chameleon skinks, or a razordon or a salamander.

Feel free to ignore suggestions, its your army after all. This is sound advice though.....
Have fun with your army no matter what list you decide to field. Thanks for posting on the Army List Forum.

 

[Momo the Slann]

Interesting... great advice, thanks!

So the Saurus with spears are better than Saurus with hand weapon despite the +1 armour save in close combat? I thought they would be better prepared to, perhaps, hold a tough unit until the stegadon/ cold one riders would get a flank charge...

Thought?

 

[bryanabbo]

i made my unit of saurus half sword and half spears

 

[Momo the Slann]

How about the Scar Vet... if he's holding a Great Weapon, I understand he must relinquish his shield, is that correct?

 

[Eternity_Warden]

i made my unit of saurus half sword and half spears

Is this so you can try to use the unit as either spears or HWs, or did you think they could have different equipment in the same unit?

 

[thesecondman]

Interesting... great advice, thanks!

So the Saurus with spears are better than Saurus with hand weapon despite the +1 armour save in close combat? I thought they would be better prepared to, perhaps, hold a tough unit until the stegadon/ cold one riders would get a flank charge...

Thought?

i made my unit of saurus half sword and half spears

This is against the rules (though he may have meant something else). Each single unit must be armed with spears and shields OR just hand weapons and shields. The rule he may be thinking of is the one that refers to SHOWING equipment (in this case, spears) on the actual models in order to prove that you have paid the points for them. (Its over half the models in the unit).

---The saurus still have hand weapons and shields when they have spears. Having spears gives the OPTION of using them. In other words, you can choose, armor save or lots more attacks. Saurus with spears are one of the best, if not the best infantry unit in the game. Don't take them without spears mate.
Please note that in almost all cases, having your entire second rank able to attack twice with strength four attacks is just better than getting +1 armor save, both for combat resolution [and correspondingly winning the combat, and/or holding the enemy up] and for killing the opponents troops. Additional - this is why you wanna rank them 6x3...they get 12 attacks from the second rank alone.

This is what you want, in all simplicity in your army list. Somewhere. Sometimes you want multiple of it--

18 Saurus Warriors armed with spears -
Full Command
=246 points

'Momo the Slann wrote:'
How about the Scar Vet... if he's holding a Great Weapon, I understand he must relinquish his shield, is that correct?


Yes. However...

IF he charges, and kills the guy in combat (with his badass 4 str7 attacks), they cant attack back so you don't need the armor save.
If you give him a shield and as well as a great weapon, then you can CHOOSE to use hand weapon (stil has one) and shield INSTEAD of great weapon. You do not LOSE the shield, you just can't use it at the same time as using your great weapon. Its either/or.

Hope that clears it up a little.
Please note, rules wise, you can't use mundane weapons (like a hand weapon for the hw/shield bonus) if you have a magic weapon. You gotta use the magic weapon. (Brettonians do however break this rule as they can use mundane lances on the turn they charge). For example, if you somehow (even though one doesn't exist) gave the scar vet a magical great weapon, you wouldn't be able to use the hand weapon. [Venom of the Firefly Frog is cool because it works on both]. Just in case my post made you wonder. Good luck making your army!

 

[asrodrig]

Guys, please adhere to the forum rules. Posting the individual points cost of each upgrade is not allowed. You may, however, give the cost of the unit after upgrades. For example:

Saurus Oldblood
Revered Blade
Glyph Necklace
Cold One
light armour
shield
286

That's just a random example, but you can see how it is done.

 

[Momo the Slann]

Thank you all for your advice! You were all very helpful.