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7th Ed. Dark elves? What dark elves?

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Ok, well my friend is going to be getting dark elves soon, so i really need to know how to deal with them and pesky assassins....

I already know that I can force him to persue and get a tasty flank charge because of hatred, but other then that, im stumped on how we deal with their assassins... and the rest of the army for that matter

Anyone?
 
well assassins are nasty although if you can shoot a unit to death then the assassin dies with them before he is revealed so there is that, also impact hits work well since they negate his always strikes first and he can't killing blow a large target

hydras are a pain but oxytl can pick off the beast masters so that they have to go to the monster reaction chart as does rule of burning iron

take a slann with becalming cogatitation and the diadem for the spell casters if you go magic heavy take the cupped hands with him as well so as to throw a miscast on them and the diadem on a priest

oh yes and salamanders are awesome against elves take them en-masse they will shine against low toughness decent armour they will probally be your star units

hope that helps
 
Um....If the unit panics, do they die just like fanatics?

And....I think Im going to go buy some sallies
 
About shooting the handlers of the hydra, I know our special char lets him pick out chars with an additional -1 to hit, but they have a rule as well that states they cannot be hit/wounded until the hydra is dead. (fluff says they jump around on his back swinging on ropes, dodging the attacks by hiding behind different heads of the hydra)

So which rule would go through?
 
in their rules it says hits that would normally randomize between the beastmasters and the hydra would hit the hydra but since oxytl isn't randomizing he can still shoot them as could a hochland longrifle and rule of burning iron i would assume

it also says in close combat that all attacks go towards the hydra that you can't hit the beastmasters in close combat as they use him for a shield so i think that is what you were thinking of

so as it is worded right now snipe the beastmasters and watch them go crazy hopefully

the downside to oxytl is that he can get flamed by the hydra but if he is doing that then he is not charging a terrible beast towards you so...
 
Oh ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clarification...

Though I personally don't like nearly any of the lizardmen's special chars, It seems like a pretty good plan.

To be honest, I haven't thought about it much, but I don't really have any advice on hydra hunting at this point, Lol.

I'll think about it and post if I have a sudden idea...Until then,

Good Luck...
 
How about a mounted cold-one with the burning blade of Chotec?

or perhaps some nice spirits of the forge? that should take care of them.

Good luck beating them, a good friend of mine also playes DE, they are a real pain.
 
sacr-vet with BBoC would probally get beat down by a hydra without a unit to back him up i wouldn't try it since they would have outnumber and would probally get similar wounds and if you both fail to wound then you auto break cause he causes terror and you still lose i would definatly consider it with a unit though since the BBoC would help with his regen and you wouldn't have to worry about the outnumber so much and you could reasonably kill it on the charge
 
The maths behind a Scar-Vet (BBoC, Ench Shield, Cold One, Light Armour)(WS5, A4, S5, T5, 0+ AS) vs DE Hydra (WS4, A7, S5, T5, 4+ AS, Regeneration)(Beastmaster: (WS4, A3, S3, T3)) :

First turn of Combat:

Scar-Vet attacks
4 WS 5 attacks = 4 * 2/3 = 8/3 (= 2.666) hits ;
S5 vs T5 = 8/3 * 1/2 = 4/3 (= 1.333) wounds;
No save for the Hydra

Cold One attacks
1 WS 3 attack = 1 * 1/2 = 1/2 (= 0.5) hits ;
S4 vs T5 = 1/2 * 1/3 = 1/6 (= 0.166) wounds ;
1/6 * 2/3 (5+ AS) = 1/9 (= 0.111) wounds ;
1/9 * 1/2 (4+ Regen) = 1/18 (= 0.055) wounds ;

Total : 4/3 + 1/18 = 25/18 (= 1.388) wounds


Hydra attacks
7 WS 4 attacks = 7 * 1/2 = 7/2 , Hatred: 7/2 * 1/2 = 7/4 , Total hits : 21/4 (= 5.25) ;
S5 vs T5 = 21/4 * 1/2 = 21/8 (= 2.625) wounds ;
21/8 * 1/6 (2+ AS) = 7/16 (= 0.4375) wounds

2 Beastmasters attack
6 WS 4 attacks = 6 * 1/2 = 3 , Hatred: 3 * 1/2 = 3/2, Total hits : 9/2 hits (= 4.5) ;
S3 vs T5 = 9/2 * 1/6 = 3/4 (= 0.75) wounds;
3/4 * 1/6 (1+ AS) = 1/8 (= 0.125) wounds

Total : 7/16 + 1/8 = 9/16 (= 0.5625) wounds

Subsequent rounds of Combat:

Scar-Vet and Cold One = same as above

Hydra attacks
7 WS 4 attacks = 7 * 1/2 = 7/2 (= 3.5) hits ;
S5 vs T5 = 7/2 * 1/2 = 7/4 (= 1.75) wounds ;
7/4 * 1/6 (2+ AS) = 7/24 (= 0.291666) wounds

2 Beastmasters attack
6 WS 4 attacks = 6 * 1/2 = 3 hits ;
S3 vs T5 = 3 * 1/6 = 1/2 (= 0.5) wounds;
1/2 * 1/6 (1+ AS) = 1/12 (= 0.08333) wounds

Total : 7/24 + 1/12 = 3/8 (= 0.375) wounds


So, this Scar-Vet build does 1.388 wounds on the Hydra a turn whilst the Hyrdra and the Beastmasters do 0.5625 (= 9/16) wounds in the first turn of combat, they only do 0.375 (= 3/8) wounds in the rounds after the first. I'm fairly confident in saying that our Scar-Vet should kick this Hydra in the long run and should stick around for long time.


Note: these are only averages, you still need the dice gods on your side :P
 
i wasn't saying that a scar-vet can't beat a hydra i was just saying that in a battle he will typically have at least one bad round well 1 bad round against a hydra means he will auto break since it causes terror and outnumbers him

by the way nice numbers i had no idea that the scar-vet was that dominate in a close combat phase against a monster

and i 2nd the salamander's idea they always help against elves
 
True enoug, a single bad round and the Scar-Vet will be running :( but he should get away with 3D6 against only 2D6 from the Hydra.
 
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