8th Ed. 2999 Lizardmen List

[loyce8869]

I've got a 2999 tourney coming up in about a month and was thinking of taking this list. Anyone have any suggestions on how I could improve it?

Life Slann General - Mastery, Rumination, BSB, Standard of Discipline, Dispell Scroll

Death Slann - Mastery, Rumination

Scar vet - GW, Armour of Destiny

Scar vet - Cold one, Light armour, Burning Blade, charmed shield

Saurus Warriors x40 - Mus & standard

Saurus Warriors x35 - Spear, Mus Shield - Death Slann and scar vet on foot go here

Skink Skirmishers x10

Skink Skirmishers x10

Temple Guard x26 - FC, Banner of eternal flame - Life Slann goes here

Chameleon Skinks x6

Chameleon Skinks x6

Cold One Cavalry x5 - Mus & standard - Cold on scar vet goes here

Salamander - extra handler

Salamander - extra handler

 

[thomasthefinch]

Take the Dragonhelm on the Scar Vet instead of the charmed shield.

 

[Rhodium]

Take the Dragonhelm on the Scar Vet instead of the charmed shield.

I disagree,

Currently his scar vet build has 5+ scaly skin, +2 thick skinned, +1 light armour +1 charmed shield so 1+ AS

The dragonhelm would increase it to 0+ which Is capped out at 1+ so no better than charmed shield
And give a 2+ ward against flaming

With the charmed shield, it gives the scar vet 1+ as I showed above and if he fails his 2+ look out sir he gets another 2+ against a cannon shot, or if he dodges one cannon, next turn or another cannon can give him another 2+ since he no longer gets LoS.

So I would say for this build the charmed shield is better in my opinion

 

[chikn skrips]

if your going to run a death slaan i would consider making him ethereal since death magic is close range, he needs to be on the front lines and would have to be in the front rank of the saurus which makes him an easy target to pick off or can kill quite a many of your own including himself on a misfire with purple sun. i would consider running him shadow. enfeebeling foe+dwellers is devastating to even str5+ units/models and wth steed of shadows and ethereal he is pretty much really hard to get caught up in combat as long as your smart about it.

also i dont see the point of standard of discipline on the life slaan who is already LD9. the standard will make the temple guard LD9 instead of 8 and not able to use the slaans already LD9. its just a waste of points really. the only instance can think of would be if a WoC player casts pandemonium (which is an easy dispell in either magic phase) where you couldnt use hs leadership. anyways if that does happen with out the standard you still have LD8 on three dice with a re roll which is really hard to fail because they are stubborn and immune to psyke wth the slaan which you will almost never run away

 

[Rhodium]

if your going to run a death slaan i would consider making him ethereal since death magic is close range, he needs to be on the front lines and would have to be in the front rank of the saurus which makes him an easy target to pick off or can kill quite a many of your own including himself on a misfire with purple sun. i would consider running him shadow. enfeebeling foe+dwellers is devastating to even str5+ units/models and wth steed of shadows and ethereal he is pretty much really hard to get caught up in combat as long as your smart about it.

also i dont see the point of standard of discipline on the life slaan who is already LD9. the standard will make the temple guard LD9 instead of 8 and not able to use the slaans already LD9. its just a waste of points really. the only instance can think of would be if a WoC player casts pandemonium (which is an easy dispell in either magic phase) where you couldnt use hs leadership. anyways if that does happen with out the standard you still have LD8 on three dice with a re roll which is really hard to fail because they are stubborn and immune to psyke wth the slaan which you will almost never run away

Standard of discipline works in this way, the unit gains +1 leadership but they can't use the generals leadership but the slann is in the unit already, so ithey use the highest leadership in the unit (not using the generals leadership) so ld9+1 = ld10

 

[Qupakoco]

Yah, the rules say you can't use inspiring presence. But all other LM units benefit from his boosted Ld10. Fun! There's an older thread on Warseer about it.

Standard of Discipline + Generals inspiring presence

With your Death Slann + Scar-Vet + Spears unit, if you play them 5-wide you can slide your Slann into the 2nd rank. That would be handy since he doesn't have Higher State.


*fixed a typo

 

[Scalenex]

With your Death Slann + Scar-Vet + Spears unit, if you play them 5-wide you can slide your Slann into the 2nd rank. That would be handy since he doesn't have Higher State.

I disagree. A Slann deployed like that can't cast spells while the unit is engaged in close combat. The Slanns footprint takes up the slot of four spear attacks, that kind of defeats the purpose of taking spears when you deny yourself supporting attacks.

If your basic strategy requires bunkering your Slann that cozy, you should spring for Temple Guard.

A Death Slann near a spear block is a good idea though. Soulblight and the extra attacks go together very nicely and generally people are so freaked out about the possiblity of Purple Sun they let Soulblight go through.

 

[Qupakoco]

I disagree.

I disagree with your disagreement. I would much rather keep my Slann out of combat. Besides, 2 regular Saurus in the front rank give you 4 attacks.

A Slann deployed like that can't cast spells while the unit is engaged in close combat.

Not to derail, but why can't he cast in CC?

 

[Scalenex]

I disagree.

I disagree with your disagreement. I would much rather keep my Slann out of combat. Besides, 2 regular Saurus in the front rank give you 4 attacks.

A Slann deployed like that can't cast spells while the unit is engaged in close combat.

Not to derail, but why can't he cast in CC?

Well I don't want to make a habit of disagreeing with you, you're a smart guy.

I accidentally exaggerated. I guess it only prevents you from casting magic missiles. I thought the same restriction applied to Direct Damage. Upon reviewing the BRB, it seems I was wrong and a wizard CAN cast Direct Damage on enemies in his front arc if he has line of sight.

I guess that shows me for disagreeing with Qupakoco....not every lore has magic missiles, so if you are using a lore that doesn't bunkering a Slann in Temple Guard is less important then I thought.

 

[Qupakoco]

Well I don't want to make a habit of disagreeing with you, you're a smart guy.

I accidentally exaggerated. I guess it only prevents you from casting magic missiles.

Haha! I'm only pretend smart. I was thinking there actually was a reason he couldn't cast in CC.

But I do like the idea of keeping the Death Slann nearby the spear Saurus. That way he has a little freedom. Just need to give him some protection.

 

[Rhodium]

With your Death Slann + Scar-Vet + Spears unit, if you play them 5-wide you can slide your Slann into the 2nd rank. That would be handy since he doesn't have Higher State.


*fixed a typo

This is how I always run my slann when I have 2 or no temple guard, keeps the slann out of combat for at least one turn, more if the champion isn't killed