TOW Lizardmen (Renegades) @ Arc in the Old World

I’m taking Lizardmen to ArcFest (Australia) in May and I’m trying to tune my list.

what are your thoughts on this one?

++ Characters [887 pts] ++
Slann Mage-Priest [480 pts]
(Hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, General, Battle Standard Bearer [Banner of Swirling Wind], Ruby Ring of Ruin, Cupped Hands of the Old Ones, Becalming Cogitation, Elementalism)

Saurus Oldblood [407 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Shield, Carnosaur, Talisman of Protection, Blade of Revered Tzunki)

++ Core Units [556 pts] ++
20 Temple Guard [341 pts]
(Hand weapons, Halberds, Shields, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Revered Guardian (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

11 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

11 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

11 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

++ Special Units [96 pts] ++
3 Terradon Riders [96 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Light armour (Calloused hides))

++ Rare Units [460 pts] ++
Ancient Stegadon [230 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Great horns, Giant blowpipes)

Ancient Stegadon [230 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Great horns, Giant bow)

Might be worth checking out Old Ones orld Fanatics discord as a more active, local discussion forum.

Lizard Wizard said:

I’m taking Lizardmen to ArcFest (Australia) in May and I’m trying to tune my list.

what are your thoughts on this one?

++ Characters [887 pts] ++
Slann Mage-Priest [480 pts]
(Hand weapon, Level 4 Wizard, General, Battle Standard Bearer [Banner of Swirling Wind], Ruby Ring of Ruin, Cupped Hands of the Old Ones, Becalming Cogitation, Elementalism)

Saurus Oldblood [407 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Shield, Carnosaur, Talisman of Protection, Blade of Revered Tzunki)

++ Core Units [556 pts] ++
20 Temple Guard [341 pts]
(Hand weapons, Halberds, Shields, Heavy armour (Scaly skin), Revered Guardian (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)

11 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

11 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

11 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Shields, Light armour (Calloused hides))

++ Special Units [96 pts] ++
3 Terradon Riders [96 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Light armour (Calloused hides))

++ Rare Units [460 pts] ++
Ancient Stegadon [230 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Great horns, Giant blowpipes)

Ancient Stegadon [230 pts]
(Hand weapons, Javelins, Great horns, Giant bow)

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Giant Blowpipes are near worthless. Stick to giant bow.

Gothmog Lord of Balrogs said:

Giant Blowpipes are near worthless. Stick to giant bow.

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Were they more useful when poison was instant-wound?

PlasmaDavid said:

Were they more useful when poison was instant-wound?

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Slightly. But the real problem is multi-shot and BS3. You are already hitting on 4+, multi-shot means a 5+, and with a range of only 18", long range means you are another -1 to hit over 9", so hitting on a 6's there. Skirmishers are also -1 to hit, and then anything like the Banner of Swirling Wind or Cover are also negative modifiers. Really easy to get to a 7+ or even 8+ requirement to hit. And because its cumbersome the stegadon cant event stand and shoot with it.

So in short, its been bad the whole time. Loosing auto wound just robbed it of any tiny modicum of playability