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[NIGHTBRINGER]

single purpose and hence less effective in one on one fighting but longer...

Oh, I just noticed I disagree here: They are very effective in 1on1 fighting.
In an open field their range advantage makes 1on1 fights with a sword against them almost futile. Modern HEMA practicioners say the chance of a poor spear fighter winning against a pretty good swordsman is, like, 3 out of 4 times.
Even one spear against two swordsmen wins half of the time.

He was referring to a pike. You are correct that a typical polearm (spear, halberd, etc) has a HUGE advantage over a sword, but a pike is simply too long to be effectively employed in a 1 v 1 contest.

 

[tom ndege]

Oh, I just noticed I disagree here: They are very effective in 1on1 fighting.
In an open field their range advantage makes 1on1 fights with a sword against them almost futile. Modern HEMA practicioners say the chance of a poor spear fighter winning against a pretty good swordsman is, like, 3 out of 4 times.
Even one spear against two swordsmen wins half of the time.

I'd say that's pretty much true for a spear but not for a pike... cause the deadly end is... well... at one end of the weapon... if you have a 5meter pike and I close in to 4,5 meters fast enough you're just hitting me with a (quite hard and strong) stick... that hurts but leaves much opportunity to get even closer and use my sharp piece of metal to do serious damage...

 

[Aginor]

I'd say that's pretty much true for a spear but not for a pike... cause the deadly end is... well... at one end of the weapon... if you have a 5meter pike and I close in to 4,5 meters fast enough you're just hitting me with a (quite hard and strong) stick... that hurts but leaves much opportunity to get even closer and use my sharp piece of metal to do serious damage...

If you have a pike that is _that_ long the trick is to not grab it at the end., but somewhere in the middle so it is only 2m long in front of you. That way you can stab with it quite quickly. IIRC techniques like that are explained in historical documents from the 16th century about "Landsknechte".

But yeah, the very long ones (over around three meters) are mainly formation weapons. (for short range they had the "Katzbalger").

 

[tom ndege]

Still I think a too long weapon means some disadvantage even if you grip it in the middle... then you still have two meters in front and two behind you making any kind of oberhau or unterhau nearly impossible and even diagonal strikes quite difficult... that only leaves thrusting as offensive move...

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Still I think a too long weapon means some disadvantage even if you grip it in the middle... then you still have two meters in front and two behind you making any kind of oberhau or unterhau nearly impossible and even diagonal strikes quite difficult... that only leaves thrusting as offensive move...

I agree. Also, with some much extra length at the back, the weapon will be quite unwieldy because you will lose a significant amount of point control. So even in terms of thrusting it will be much less effective. A pike is simply not a very effective 1 on 1 melee weapon.

 

[Canas]

Perhaps you simply lack the sufficiently sophisticated cognitive network that is required to accurately comprehend and articulate the subtle nuances that make up the NIGHTBRINGER.

It is easier to label something as weird, than admit one's shortcomings.


...yet

it's easier and also significantly more accurate

Exactly as in the myth.
Loki disguised himself as a wasp and annoyed one of the dwarf smiths. The result was a short handle

So @NIGHTBRINGER is the wasps?

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

it's easier and also significantly more accurate


So @NIGHTBRINGER is the wasps?

O ye, of little faith

 

[Canas]

O ye, of little faith

O ye, of big dellusions

Anyways, where's that picture?

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

Anyways, where's that picture?

Already provided!

 

[Canas]

Already provided!

one with you actally in it, not fakes

 

[Killer Angel]

one with you actally in it, not fakes

Aren't you proud that Chris Hemsworth posts on Lustria Online?

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

one with you actally in it, not fakes

Already did, but you just continually call it fake.

Where is your picture?

Aren't you proud that Chris Hemsworth posts on Lustria Online?

That's where you're wrong... I wasn't implying that I was Chris Hemsworth... I am Thor himself.

 

[Killer Angel]

That's where you're wrong... I wasn't implying that I was Chris Hemsworth... I am Thor himself.

So... is Chris your stunt double?

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

So... is Chris your stunt double?

There we go... now we are getting somewhere!

 

[Canas]

Aren't you proud that Chris Hemsworth posts on Lustria Online?

no not really, it's that the internet helpfully points out his name whenever a picture of him shows up otherwise I wouldnt even recognize his name.

Where is your picture?

I am an enigma wrapped in a mystery covered by a secret. It's difficult taking pictures of that.

 

[NIGHTBRINGER]

 

[Lord-Marcus]

Yeah.we know

 

[Canas]

that looks realy creepy, it is fitting.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

There's that jealously again.

Being NIGHTBRINGER is complex. It's not just about being the top dog Slann... it's about being comfortable with the word hero.

Since when was a Sith Lord a hero? (Apart from Darth Vader when he sacrificed himself to kill Palpatine and ended the Sith forever)

The mighty NIGHTBRINGER does not need to prove himself to his underlings.

OK, but that doesn't stop you proving yourself to me

Fine...

Hooray Thor again!

I would say a hammer that requires all your strength (assuming that's the reasons why it needs thor's strength) to wield is kind of generally impractical...

It isn't impractical to Thor though as he only needs part of his strength to lift it. If he needed all his strength just to lift the thing he wouldn't be able to do much else with it.

Coward! Fight like a man!

Spoiler: Melee weapon

That's better, a noble weapon of a bygone age, but here's a better one:

Oh, I just noticed I disagree here: They are very effective in 1on1 fighting.
In an open field their range advantage makes 1on1 fights with a sword against them almost futile. Modern HEMA practicioners say the chance of a poor spear fighter winning against a pretty good swordsman is, like, 3 out of 4 times.
Even one spear against two swordsmen wins half of the time.

Unless one of the swordsmen cuts off the spear tip. Then the spearman is in trouble unless he uses the haft like a quarterstaff

He was referring to a pike. You are correct that a typical polearm (spear, halberd, etc) has a HUGE advantage over a sword, but a pike is simply too long to be effectively employed in a 1 v 1 contest.

Agreed here. The English crushed the Scots at Flodden as they used billhooks that were more wieldy than the pikes the Scots used, as well as having better training.

 

[Canas]

Unless one of the swordsmen cuts off the spear tip. Then the spearman is in trouble unless he uses the haft like a quarterstaff

Cutting clean through the shaft of the spear is going to be rather problematic though if it's made out of halfway decent wood... I doubt it'd be very practical.